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kbannister
26-Jun-2012, 15:36
I suppose I agree with some of this - hope however it is just Marketing
to get me to class.

'IT Roles Facing Extinction'
(http://www.globalknowledge.com/articles/generic.asp?pageid=3267&country=United+States)


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Susan
26-Jun-2012, 20:30
It's just one person's opinion. : )

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GofBorg
26-Jun-2012, 20:54
I predict a trend of talent leaving for where the jobs are.

kgroneman
27-Jun-2012, 16:10
Hey Susan,

>It's just one person's opinion.

I just heard a news report on a local radio station this morning that
companies around here are having a hard time finding qualified job
applicants. IT jobs was one of the categories they mentioned.

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kbannister
27-Jun-2012, 16:56
I also heard on the news that those 55 and older are really the ones
getting the jobs now. Experience and maturity. Then again I hear from
my 55 year old friends they can't even get an interview. Wish I had a
crystal ball to gaze into .................


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JayZie
27-Jun-2012, 17:57
On 6/27/2012 11:56 AM, kbannister wrote:
> Wish I had a
> crystal ball to gaze into .................


Well I can ask my wife to come here and you can use her head? Will that
work? Her name is Crystal. <VBEG> *ducks*

kbannister
27-Jun-2012, 19:56
DO NOT outsource your wifes head. It would be bad :)


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JayZie
27-Jun-2012, 20:28
On 6/27/2012 2:56 PM, kbannister wrote:>
> DO NOT outsource your wifes head. It would be bad :)
>
>
LOL. I am only outsourcing it for future telling.

Bob
28-Jun-2012, 01:48
Very true. I'm 65; my offer to contribute my experience and expertise
falls on very very deaf ears.

Bob

On 6/27/2012 11:56 AM, kbannister wrote:
>
> I also heard on the news that those 55 and older are really the ones
> getting the jobs now. Experience and maturity. Then again I hear from
> my 55 year old friends they can't even get an interview. Wish I had a
> crystal ball to gaze into .................
>
>

Susan
28-Jun-2012, 02:20
So, one person's opinion is proven wrong. <G>

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kbannister
28-Jun-2012, 15:26
I suppose that is OK. LOL


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kbannister
28-Jun-2012, 15:26
There will come a day when they will need expertise and no one will want
to help them. Because you will be on a Beach somewhere basking in the
sun and sand!!


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Dave Howe
29-Jun-2012, 11:02
On 28/06/2012 15:26, kbannister wrote:
>
> There will come a day when they will need expertise and no one will want
> to help them. Because you will be on a Beach somewhere basking in the
> sun and sand!!
>
>
Yeah, real world recent call (slightly paraphrased)

"We let two staff go whose focus was our "legacy systems" last year as
we had a project in place to migrate to a pure Microsoft play; further,
we cancelled our support contract for all our Novell products as we got
a very good offer from a MS-Only shop to install, configure and manage
our new infrastructure. However, it turns out we still need these three
servers, one has dropped dead, and we have 29 days remaining to produce
certain data to a regulator or we lose our trading licence.
HEEEEEEELLLPPPP!"

KeN Etter
29-Jun-2012, 13:37
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 10:02:05 GMT, Dave Howe <DaveHowe@invalid.dom>
wrote:

>Yeah, real world recent call (slightly paraphrased)
>
>"We let two staff go whose focus was our "legacy systems" last year as
>we had a project in place to migrate to a pure Microsoft play; further,
>we cancelled our support contract for all our Novell products as we got
>a very good offer from a MS-Only shop to install, configure and manage
>our new infrastructure. However, it turns out we still need these three
>servers, one has dropped dead, and we have 29 days remaining to produce
>certain data to a regulator or we lose our trading licence.
>HEEEEEEELLLPPPP!"

Someone made some bad decisions there.

Dave Howe
29-Jun-2012, 13:43
On 29/06/2012 13:37, KeN Etter wrote:
> Someone made some bad decisions there.

Yup. But I see that more and more - not terrible for my employer though
(as we can sell consultancy to get the migration to actually work, *and*
get some support work on a T&M basis)

Dave Howe
29-Jun-2012, 13:46
On 29/06/2012 13:37, KeN Etter wrote:
> Someone made some bad decisions there.

Migrating to OES2 DSfW isn't as bad as going direct to Windows, but can
still show cases where stuff you expect to work on the new platform just
doesn't.

KeN Etter
29-Jun-2012, 14:00
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:46:03 GMT, Dave Howe <DaveHowe@invalid.dom>
wrote:

>On 29/06/2012 13:37, KeN Etter wrote:
>> Someone made some bad decisions there.
>
>Migrating to OES2 DSfW isn't as bad as going direct to Windows, but can
>still show cases where stuff you expect to work on the new platform just
>doesn't.

I'll stick with OES 11 and eDirectory. :-)

Dave Howe
29-Jun-2012, 17:14
On 29/06/2012 14:00, KeN Etter wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:46:03 GMT, Dave Howe <DaveHowe@invalid.dom>
> wrote:
>
>> On 29/06/2012 13:37, KeN Etter wrote:
>>> Someone made some bad decisions there.
>>
>> Migrating to OES2 DSfW isn't as bad as going direct to Windows, but can
>> still show cases where stuff you expect to work on the new platform just
>> doesn't.
>
> I'll stick with OES 11 and eDirectory. :-)

Same thing, really.

Seen a few cases where DSfW messed up, which means a pure-play windows 7
workstation couldn't successfully use a file resource. Windows 7 NW
client is pants though, so often it still didn't work once you went to
using "old school" connections, and so forth.

Had some fun ones in the past - I think my fave was around 2005 or so,
where a client was trying to use old dos requester drivers under windows
98 (!) because he had an old btrieve (!!) DB running on a netware 4
(!!!) box that was business critical.

Pointed out to him that there was a fair business case for moving to a
at least marginally supported more modern platform (probably pervasive)
but apparently that wasn't an option with this old and now unsupported
app. Settled for having a set of VMWare instances but even so - its
insane some of the "business critical" apps out there that were written
in the 90's but are still in use (athough if this were a unix forum, I
guess we would now get people talking about how old their COBOL apps
were and which version of the lyon's electronic office they were
originally written to run on :)