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Bob Crandell
15-Oct-2012, 23:50
Hi,

Ok. So my wife has been wanting a Mac. Her old Suse box was getting too
old. A friend was selling his Core Duo 1.8 for not too much so I thought
I would do both of them a favor and get it for her. He is happy and
after I replaced the hard drive with an SSD and installed Snow Leopard
she is happy.

The 1.8 would drive me nuts with it's slowness but she is tickled pink.
If mama is happy ...

Unless I need to ramble some more here is a question. I'm assuming there
is remote control. What are you happy with? VNC? TeamViewer? RDP? ...?

Thanks
Bob C.

Bob
16-Oct-2012, 01:09
I've always been happy with VNC. Chicken Of The Sea (or Turkey, or
Shrimp, or some such animal) I believe is the name of the freeware
version for the MAC.

IT Depts' of several schools I know of swear by it.

Bob

On 10/15/2012 6:50 PM, Bob Crandell wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Ok. So my wife has been wanting a Mac. Her old Suse box was getting too
> old. A friend was selling his Core Duo 1.8 for not too much so I thought
> I would do both of them a favor and get it for her. He is happy and
> after I replaced the hard drive with an SSD and installed Snow Leopard
> she is happy.
>
> The 1.8 would drive me nuts with it's slowness but she is tickled pink.
> If mama is happy ...
>
> Unless I need to ramble some more here is a question. I'm assuming there
> is remote control. What are you happy with? VNC? TeamViewer? RDP? ...?
>
> Thanks
> Bob C.
>

ab
16-Oct-2012, 02:24
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Yeah, Mac's have VNC for remote control, but it's famously terrible when
it comes to the connection breaking and not being recoverable (at all)
until you restart the VNC service. Luckily, Macs are *nix so you can
SSH in and restart that service, but that's not always a fun thing to do
randomly, and sometimes frequently. Google for more on the issue; I
found a ton two years ago, including how to restart the VNC service as a
result of the problem.

Good luck.
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Joseph Marton
16-Oct-2012, 04:10
Bob Crandell wrote:

> I'm assuming
> there is remote control. What are you happy with?

ZENworks Configuration Management 11.2

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Bob Crandell
16-Oct-2012, 15:39
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:10:34 +0000, Joseph Marton wrote:

> Bob Crandell wrote:
>
>> I'm assuming
>> there is remote control. What are you happy with?
>
> ZENworks Configuration Management 11.2

This is not a support forum. You need to post this at:
novell.support.zenworks.configuration-management.11.remote-management

Thank you for your understanding.

Bob Crandell
16-Oct-2012, 15:42
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 01:24:47 +0000, ab wrote:

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>
> Yeah, Mac's have VNC for remote control, but it's famously terrible when
> it comes to the connection breaking and not being recoverable (at all)
> until you restart the VNC service. Luckily, Macs are *nix so you can
> SSH in and restart that service, but that's not always a fun thing to do
> randomly, and sometimes frequently. Google for more on the issue; I
> found a ton two years ago, including how to restart the VNC service as a
> result of the problem.
>
> Good luck.
I had heard that. I tried to set it up for a client so he could work
remotely. He had those problems you mentioned plus it was REALLY slow.
He ended up using RDP to connect to his Windows computer.

Simon Flood
16-Oct-2012, 16:59
On 16/10/2012 15:39, Bob Crandell wrote:

> This is not a support forum. You need to post this at:
> novell.support.zenworks.configuration-management.11.remote-management
>
> Thank you for your understanding.

ROTFL!
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Simon Flood
16-Oct-2012, 17:08
On 16/10/2012 02:24, ab wrote:

> Yeah, Mac's have VNC for remote control, but it's famously terrible when
> it comes to the connection breaking and not being recoverable (at all)
> until you restart the VNC service. Luckily, Macs are *nix so you can
> SSH in and restart that service, but that's not always a fun thing to do
> randomly, and sometimes frequently. Google for more on the issue; I
> found a ton two years ago, including how to restart the VNC service as a
> result of the problem.

Macs (no apostrophe) have VNC functionality built-in but it needs
enabling (see Sharing preferences pane - Screen Sharing service).

The problem is with OS X Lion (and Mountain Lion afterwards) it's a bit
like MS Terminal Services in that it doesn't connect to the active
user's desktop but rather prompts for a log in. Your best bet for VNC is
to install a third-party VNC server on the Mac - I've used Vine VNC
Server available from http://www.testplant.com/support/downloads/vine/
(it's also what Novell recommend in their ZENworks 11.2 docs ... after I
recommended it to them!)

Not that I'm providing support ... well not Novell support anyway!

HTH.
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Jim Henderson
16-Oct-2012, 22:57
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 00:09:47 +0000, Bob wrote:

> I've always been happy with VNC. Chicken Of The Sea (or Turkey, or
> Shrimp, or some such animal) I believe is the name of the freeware
> version for the MAC.
>
> IT Depts' of several schools I know of swear by it.

Be careful with VNC - its transport is not encrypted, and its password
scheme is trivially hacked.

Jim

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GofBorg
17-Oct-2012, 18:30
> Be careful with VNC - its transport is not encrypted, and its password
> scheme is trivially hacked.

tunnel it through SSH

Jim Henderson
18-Oct-2012, 00:24
On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:30:22 +0000, GofBorg wrote:

>> Be careful with VNC - its transport is not encrypted, and its password
>> scheme is trivially hacked.
>
> tunnel it through SSH

Which is what I do (that constitutes "being careful with VNC"). But it
requires more work and setup than just installing the VNC server and
using the client.

Jim

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Anders Gustafsson
18-Oct-2012, 06:11
Jim Henderson,
> Which is what I do (that constitutes "being careful with VNC"). But it
> requires more work and setup than just installing the VNC server and
> using the client.

Precisely and I find that so many people run just plain vanilla VNC (or
RDP) for that matter, without even knowing how insecure it is. Thus was
Jim entirely in the right pointing that out.

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Bob Crandell
18-Oct-2012, 18:25
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 05:11:41 +0000, Anders Gustafsson wrote:

> Jim Henderson,
>> Which is what I do (that constitutes "being careful with VNC"). But it
>> requires more work and setup than just installing the VNC server and
>> using the client.
>
> Precisely and I find that so many people run just plain vanilla VNC (or
> RDP) for that matter, without even knowing how insecure it is. Thus was
> Jim entirely in the right pointing that out.

I don't access it from the outside at all. It's for when she doesn't
know how to do something and I'm too lazy to walk into the other room.

Bob Crandell
18-Oct-2012, 18:26
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:25:17 +0000, Bob Crandell wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 05:11:41 +0000, Anders Gustafsson wrote:
>

>
> I don't access it from the outside at all. It's for when she doesn't
> know how to do something and I'm too lazy to walk into the other room.

Oh and Vine works great.

GofBorg
18-Oct-2012, 19:38
> I don't access it from the outside at all. It's for when she doesn't
> know how to do something and I'm too lazy to walk into the other room.
Nice

GofBorg
18-Oct-2012, 19:44
>But it
> requires more work and setup than just installing the VNC server and
> using the client.

Oh absolutely. We do not have SSH/VNC/RDP access at all into the office.
It would be nice on occasion but auditors have such a cow over it that
it's not worth the effort. Once every 10 years or so we set it up for
contractors but it is keyed to their individual IP and it gets taken down on
completion of the project. Internally in the past I have used VNC for
desktop support but not so much anymore. I need the exercise so walking to
an office is beneficial. : )

Jim Henderson
19-Oct-2012, 02:47
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 05:11:41 +0000, Anders Gustafsson wrote:

> Jim Henderson,
>> Which is what I do (that constitutes "being careful with VNC"). But it
>> requires more work and setup than just installing the VNC server and
>> using the client.
>
> Precisely and I find that so many people run just plain vanilla VNC (or
> RDP) for that matter, without even knowing how insecure it is. Thus was
> Jim entirely in the right pointing that out.

RDP is somewhat better with the more current version; I learned the VNC
lesson the hard way - I had my mother's PC set up with it open on the
'net, and she called me one day wanting to know why her Solitaire game
solved itself.

m-/

Jim

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Jim Henderson
19-Oct-2012, 02:50
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 18:44:10 +0000, GofBorg wrote:

>>But it
>> requires more work and setup than just installing the VNC server and
>> using the client.
>
> Oh absolutely. We do not have SSH/VNC/RDP access at all into the office.
> It would be nice on occasion but auditors have such a cow over it that
> it's not worth the effort. Once every 10 years or so we set it up for
> contractors but it is keyed to their individual IP and it gets taken
> down on completion of the project. Internally in the past I have used
> VNC for desktop support but not so much anymore. I need the exercise so
> walking to an office is beneficial. : )

Yeah, I also tend to use VNC of some form inside my own network at home -
I've got OpenVPN set up for access from outside, and WPA2 on the wifi,
but I still tunnel over SSH when I'm feeling too lazy to get up and walk
around my desk to look at something on my wife's laptop.

I even use it over SSH from my phone - Wyse's VNC application (free
version) allows one connection, so using SSH to tunnel is handy - I only
need one connection when it's localhost:10 and the same VNC password
regardless of the host. :) Combine that with ssh pubkey authentication
per host and only allowing localhost to connect to the VNC server, makes
for a very good solution.

Jim

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ashmoore
26-Oct-2012, 13:56
I have been using logmein free (from logmein.com) for the past year or
two and it has worked very reliably.
It is trivial to setup and is secure without needing to hack about with
SSH etc.


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DZanre
01-Nov-2012, 19:09
Simon Flood wrote:

> The problem is with OS X Lion (and Mountain Lion afterwards) it's a bit like
> MS Terminal Services in that it doesn't connect to the active user's desktop
> but rather prompts for a log in.

Of course though, Mac>Mac you can just use Screen Sharing and be done.

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mf_ncc
04-Jan-2013, 11:47
Server or Client

For the server side just go into system prefs and enable desktop sharing
then use vncviewer from Opensuse.

rgds



On 15/10/12 23:50, Bob Crandell wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Ok. So my wife has been wanting a Mac. Her old Suse box was getting too
> old. A friend was selling his Core Duo 1.8 for not too much so I thought
> I would do both of them a favor and get it for her. He is happy and
> after I replaced the hard drive with an SSD and installed Snow Leopard
> she is happy.
>
> The 1.8 would drive me nuts with it's slowness but she is tickled pink.
> If mama is happy ...
>
> Unless I need to ramble some more here is a question. I'm assuming there
> is remote control. What are you happy with? VNC? TeamViewer? RDP? ...?
>
> Thanks
> Bob C.
>

Simon Flood
04-Jan-2013, 13:44
On 04/01/2013 10:47, mf_ncc wrote:

> Server or Client
>
> For the server side just go into system prefs and enable desktop sharing
> then use vncviewer from Opensuse.

Except that from OS X Lion (10.7) onwards the Screen Sharing acts more
like MS Terminal Services than VNC - you start a new remote session
rather than connect to the active one.

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DZanre
08-Jan-2013, 16:30
Simon Flood wrote:

> Except that from OS X Lion (10.7) onwards the Screen Sharing acts more like MS
> Terminal Services than VNC - you start a new remote session rather than
> connect to the active one.

Is there a way around that?

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Simon Flood
08-Jan-2013, 23:48
On 08/01/2013 15:30, DZanre wrote:

> Is there a way around that?

Yes, use a third-party VNC server. I've had success with Vine VNC Server.

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DZanre
09-Jan-2013, 00:53
Simon Flood wrote:


> Yes, use a third-party VNC server. I've had success with Vine VNC Server.

Okay - because for example, I have to sometimes remote control my Mac Mini that
is our media machine to clear some weird error message on the screen, etc. I
also use mighty mouse for it, but sometimes it's nice to screenshare if I'm
sitting at my Mac anyway when I see the error pop up - heehee.

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laurabuckley
10-Jan-2013, 11:36
Has anybody used Teamviewer with Mac? ('TeamViewer - Free Remote
Control, Remote Access & Online Meetings' (http://www.teamviewer.com))

Cheers,


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Shaun Pond
11-Jan-2013, 11:29
Laurabuckley,

yeah I use it: I did have a problem where the screen would go black,
and then only come back block by block as you wave the mouse around,
but that seems fixed with version 8

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Danita Zanre
14-Jan-2013, 18:21
Shaun Pond <spond@no-mx.forums.novell.com> wrote:
> Laurabuckley,
>
> yeah I use it: I did have a problem where the screen would go black,
> and then only come back block by block as you wave the mouse around,
> but that seems fixed with version 8

I was seeing that as well. I guess i'll upgrade!

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