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GofBorg
04-Jan-2013, 00:07
But I am really starting to like it. Can't really put my finger on why.
Some things do seem more intuitive. I can safely say that unless you
are using it for a kiosk, there's no real advantage to touch on a desktop
monitor that I can find. It's awkward as anything outstretching your arm
across your desk...not to mention fingerprinting your screen which I am a
HUGE proponent of a clean monitor. What can I say, I'm a neat freak. Like I
said, kiosks great, desktop...not so much. I do think it's cool how my Linux
HOST can take advantage of touch just as well as my Win8 VMware GUEST. : )

Bob
04-Jan-2013, 09:21
Interesting article dealing with computer touch screens:

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-touch-screens-will-not-take-over

Bob


On 1/3/2013 6:07 PM, GofBorg wrote:
> But I am really starting to like it. Can't really put my finger on why.
> Some things do seem more intuitive. I can safely say that unless you
> are using it for a kiosk, there's no real advantage to touch on a desktop
> monitor that I can find. It's awkward as anything outstretching your arm
> across your desk...not to mention fingerprinting your screen which I am a
> HUGE proponent of a clean monitor. What can I say, I'm a neat freak. Like I
> said, kiosks great, desktop...not so much. I do think it's cool how my Linux
> HOST can take advantage of touch just as well as my Win8 VMware GUEST. : )
>
>

Joseph Marton
04-Jan-2013, 14:58
GofBorg wrote:

> But I am really starting to like it.

Not me. I've been using it a little over two months now, and really
there's no point as far as I'm concerned--at least on the desktop.
It's probably decent for a tablet OS since it's so touch-focused.

Similarly, last night I installed Windows Server 2012 for the first
time. My goodness, I thought this interface was bad for a desktop OS.
There's definitely no place for it in a server OS. Oh and as a side
note, I setup home directories the "right way" for the first time on
Windows Server. WOW. Just how is this supposed to be better than
NetWare or OES again? Some remind me?

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George
04-Jan-2013, 17:42
On 1/3/2013 6:07 PM, GofBorg wrote:
> But I am really starting to like it. Can't really put my finger on why.
> Some things do seem more intuitive. I can safely say that unless you
> are using it for a kiosk, there's no real advantage to touch on a desktop
> monitor that I can find. It's awkward as anything outstretching your arm
> across your desk...not to mention fingerprinting your screen which I am a
> HUGE proponent of a clean monitor. What can I say, I'm a neat freak. Like I
> said, kiosks great, desktop...not so much. I do think it's cool how my Linux
> HOST can take advantage of touch just as well as my Win8 VMware GUEST. : )
>
>

My exposure has mostly been on server 2012 which has the same UI as Win
8. I can see where that UI would be great for a touch screen or tablet
but when we will see touch screen servers? I dislike the interface for
non touch systems and the idea of this one size fits all everything
needs to be a touchscreen approach.

GofBorg
05-Jan-2013, 00:37
> My exposure has mostly been on server 2012 which has the same UI as Win
> 8. I can see where that UI would be great for a touch screen or tablet
> but when we will see touch screen servers? I dislike the interface for
> non touch systems and the idea of this one size fits all everything
> needs to be a touchscreen approach.

I agree, I don't see a need for touch at all on the desktop either. However,
the Enterprise was completely touch enabled. Fictional yes, but perhaps
there is something that is missing to put the pieces together. I think it's
hardware.

GofBorg
05-Jan-2013, 00:44
> Not me. I've been using it a little over two months now, and really
> there's no point as far as I'm concerned--at least on the desktop.
> It's probably decent for a tablet OS since it's so touch-focused.

I tend to not think about it as a touch system because as I said, it doesn't
really work with present hardware. To me it's more of a redesigned start
menu, no worse than the new 'kicker' was for Vista/Win7,
actually a bit better imho. It has forced me to think about other ways of
working and in actuality I do seem to get more done in fewer steps, with
exceptions here an there. Haven't messed with server 2012 yet.

> Just how is this supposed to be better than
> NetWare or OES again? Some remind me?

I dunno, still running NW 6.5 here (oh the horror) : )

GofBorg
05-Jan-2013, 00:58
> Interesting article dealing with computer touch screens:

Yep. And I agree with everything he said. However, I think the
problem is hardware. I think Microsoft's surface is part of the answer.
Imagine a desk with a slot for an inclining surface where the keyboard
is closer to the actual screen eliminating Gorilla arm.

If they wan't to get rid of the keyboard mouse they have to eliminate the
distance between the user and the screens and make it ergonomic at the same
time. I think it can be done and if MS' hardware division can sort it out
then Win8 makes even more sense.

I know we all like to poopah new things that don't fit in the normal scheme
of things, but I think there is something here, it just needs a little more
something to push it.

Joseph Marton
05-Jan-2013, 01:57
GofBorg wrote:

> To me it's more of a
> redesigned start menu, no worse than the new 'kicker' was for
> Vista/Win7, actually a bit better imho. It has forced me to think
> about other ways of working and in actuality I do seem to get more
> done in fewer steps, with exceptions here an there.

I'm just not digging the new start menu. I'm learning my way around
it, but so far everything seems to take an extra couple of clicks vs
Windows 7.

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