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Black, Douglas
31-Jan-2014, 19:18
.... I modify the rights to a shared folder in Windows and stare at the
hourglass for 10 minutes while it alters every file and subfolder
underneath it, I think to myself "How did THIS piece of carp ever win
out over NetWare?"

Stevo
31-Jan-2014, 19:35
Black, Douglas sounds like they 'said':

> ... I modify the rights to a shared folder in Windows and stare at
> the hourglass for 10 minutes while it alters every file and subfolder
> underneath it, I think to myself "How did THIS piece of carp ever win
> out over NetWare?"

So my response to Black's comment is...

My thoughts exactly. Or the fact you have to give rights to *every*
****in folder level down the tree to give someone access to a folder
several levels deep..............[THUD]

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Stevo

Bob
31-Jan-2014, 20:25
On 1/31/2014 1:18 PM, Black, Douglas wrote:
> ... I modify the rights to a shared folder in Windows and stare at the
> hourglass for 10 minutes while it alters every file and subfolder
> underneath it, I think to myself "How did THIS piece of carp ever win
> out over NetWare?"
>
>
That did not make it win out over NetWare. The aggressive Stealth
Marketing Novell ran, and the plethora of GUI only computer experts,
that's what did a technically superior product in.

IMHO
Bob

Joseph Marton
01-Feb-2014, 02:39
Bob wrote:

> and the plethora of GUI only computer experts,

And to this day M$ has stuck behind the whole GUI only thing... oh
wait, no they haven't. "A server doesn't need a GUI."

-- Microsoft, 2013
-- Novell, 1983

hmmmmmmm

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Does this washcloth smell like chloroform?

KeN Etter
03-Feb-2014, 16:21
On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 18:18:59 GMT, "Black, Douglas"
<dougperiodblack@osumcperiod.edu> wrote:

>... I modify the rights to a shared folder in Windows and stare at the
>hourglass for 10 minutes while it alters every file and subfolder
>underneath it, I think to myself "How did THIS piece of carp ever win
>out over NetWare?"
>

Makes me so glad I am running OES.

Joseph Marton
03-Feb-2014, 17:02
KeN Etter wrote:

> Makes me so glad I am running OES.

I'm also glad you're running OES. :-)

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Does this washcloth smell like chloroform?

Stevo
03-Feb-2014, 17:05
KeN Etter sounds like they 'said':

> Makes me so glad I am running OES.

So my response to KeN's comment is...

We still have a little OES here, enough to run our Groupwise
environment.

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Stevo

Dave Taylor
05-Feb-2014, 08:39
"Black, Douglas" <dougperiodblack@osumcperiod.edu> wrote in news:nORGu.5585
$FD5.4509@novprvlin0913.provo.novell.com:

> ... I modify the rights to a shared folder in Windows and stare at the
> hourglass for 10 minutes while it alters every file and subfolder
> underneath it, I think to myself "How did THIS piece of carp ever win
> out over NetWare?"
>
>

Like.

GofBorg
06-Feb-2014, 23:56
>
> Makes me so glad I am running OES.

Makes me glad I'm running OES Netware.

GofBorg
06-Feb-2014, 23:58
> ... I modify the rights to a shared folder in Windows and stare at the
> hourglass for 10 minutes while it alters every file and subfolder
> underneath it, I think to myself "How did THIS piece of carp ever win
> out over NetWare?"

BetaMax vs VHS?

KeN Etter
07-Feb-2014, 16:49
On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 22:56:51 GMT, GofBorg
<GofBorg@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

>>
>> Makes me so glad I am running OES.
>
>Makes me glad I'm running OES Netware.

I still have one Netware box - in the process of moving it to a
virtual machine. I really liked Netware but I'm getting more
comfortable with OES Linux...and really liking it.

Ken

Black, Douglas
07-Feb-2014, 17:18
GofBorg,

>> ... I modify the rights to a shared folder in Windows and stare at the
>> hourglass for 10 minutes while it alters every file and subfolder
>> underneath it, I think to myself "How did THIS piece of carp ever win
>> out over NetWare?"
>
> BetaMax vs VHS?
>

Good analogy. In both cases, technical superiority proved to be no
match for massive marketing campaigns and/or vendor partnerships.

GofBorg
10-Feb-2014, 17:21
> I still have one Netware box - in the process of moving it to a
> virtual machine. I really liked Netware but I'm getting more
> comfortable with OES Linux...and really liking it.

Last time it wasn't a grand experience. Curious as to what you use
to back up the box. There wasn't a large range of options last time
I messed with it either.

KeN Etter
10-Feb-2014, 20:55
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 16:21:10 GMT, GofBorg
<GofBorg@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

>> I still have one Netware box - in the process of moving it to a
>> virtual machine. I really liked Netware but I'm getting more
>> comfortable with OES Linux...and really liking it.
>
>Last time it wasn't a grand experience.
What wasn't? OES Linux? OES 11 is quite good.

> Curious as to what you use
>to back up the box. There wasn't a large range of options last time
>I messed with it either.

To backup OES Linux and Netware, I am using Arkeia. I really like it.
Much better than the old Backup Exec I used to use.

Ken

GofBorg
11-Feb-2014, 20:33
>>Last time it wasn't a grand experience.
> What wasn't? OES Linux? OES 11 is quite good.

Well I am actually playing with OES11 SP2 right now and right off the bat
the installer barfed with "Failed OES Preconfig. This is a problem worth
reporting to Novell." :)

Just downloaded off Novell this AM and the md5sums are correct so it
is a shipping bug. Not seeking support, just providing feedback. These are
the kinds of things that don't instill confidence. Didn't even get to a
login before it starts throwing errors.

GofBorg
11-Feb-2014, 21:55
> Well I am actually playing with OES11 SP2 right now and right off the bat
> the installer barfed with "Failed OES Preconfig. This is a problem worth
> reporting to Novell." :)

To further not give the warm fuzzies. When I go to search bugzilla, nowhere
does it say OES under the product dropdown. So, no way to check if it's been
submitted already. Clicking on Enter a Bug report, gives me a page:
"This webpage has a redirect loop." and bombs.

What can I say except. Wow.

KeN Etter
11-Feb-2014, 22:29
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 19:33:26 GMT, GofBorg
<GofBorg@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

>>>Last time it wasn't a grand experience.
>> What wasn't? OES Linux? OES 11 is quite good.
>
>Well I am actually playing with OES11 SP2 right now and right off the bat
>the installer barfed with "Failed OES Preconfig. This is a problem worth
>reporting to Novell." :)
>
>Just downloaded off Novell this AM and the md5sums are correct so it
>is a shipping bug. Not seeking support, just providing feedback. These are
>the kinds of things that don't instill confidence. Didn't even get to a
>login before it starts throwing errors.
>

Might be worth checking in the OES forums.

GofBorg
11-Feb-2014, 22:58
> Might be worth checking in the OES forums.

Yah, but this is what I'm talking about when I say,
not a grand experience. I've got it installed and running,
but there's a level of fit an finish lacking from the old
Netware days. The SLES stuff is fine obviously but the OES
side seems a bit half baked still. I mean less than an hour and mucking
about in support forums? This is why MS won. I'm sure I can make it sing and
never visit the forum but the level of time and effort is inordinately high.
Granted the payoff might be worth it, but most won't bother, opting to go
the 'easy' route with Windows and pay for that ease on the backend with a
management nightmare. Needs to be simpler and less buggy.

Any word on the migration tool? Is it any good or have crippling bugs as
well?

KeN Etter
11-Feb-2014, 23:07
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 21:58:28 GMT, GofBorg
<GofBorg@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org> wrote:

>> Might be worth checking in the OES forums.
>
>Yah, but this is what I'm talking about when I say,
>not a grand experience. I've got it installed and running,
>but there's a level of fit an finish lacking from the old
>Netware days. The SLES stuff is fine obviously but the OES
>side seems a bit half baked still. I mean less than an hour and mucking
>about in support forums? This is why MS won. I'm sure I can make it sing and
>never visit the forum but the level of time and effort is inordinately high.
>Granted the payoff might be worth it, but most won't bother, opting to go
>the 'easy' route with Windows and pay for that ease on the backend with a
>management nightmare. Needs to be simpler and less buggy.

I did have to get NTS involved with a couple of my OES 11 servers, but
I put that down to my inexperience with Linux. And since then they
have all been solid servers.

>Any word on the migration tool? Is it any good or have crippling bugs as
>well?

I had no problems with the migration tool.

Ken

Stevo
11-Feb-2014, 23:20
GofBorg sounds like they 'said':

> > Might be worth checking in the OES forums.
>
> Yah, but this is what I'm talking about when I say,
> not a grand experience. I've got it installed and running,
> but there's a level of fit an finish lacking from the old
> Netware days. The SLES stuff is fine obviously but the OES
> side seems a bit half baked still. I mean less than an hour and
> mucking about in support forums? This is why MS won. I'm sure I can
> make it sing and never visit the forum but the level of time and
> effort is inordinately high. Granted the payoff might be worth it,
> but most won't bother, opting to go the 'easy' route with Windows and
> pay for that ease on the backend with a management nightmare. Needs
> to be simpler and less buggy.
>
> Any word on the migration tool? Is it any good or have crippling bugs
> as well?

So my response to GofBorg's comment is...

Getting all my servers to sles11sp2 and oes11sp1 has drastically
stablized everything from the sles10sp3 & 4 days.

Same as what Ken said, migration tool worked fine for me every time.

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Stevo

GofBorg
11-Feb-2014, 23:46
> Same as what Ken said, migration tool worked fine for me every time.

Good to know.

GofBorg
11-Feb-2014, 23:48
> I did have to get NTS involved with a couple of my OES 11 servers, but
> I put that down to my inexperience with Linux. And since then they
> have all been solid servers.

The last time I worked with it, it was fairly stable once issues
with iPrint were sorted. The thing that bothers me is that it still
feels like an add-on without much direction. It would be nice if
Novell popped a startup page like Windows does with some basic tasks
to complete and ways to access those newly running services. Just
my opinion of course.

Simon Flood
12-Feb-2014, 11:32
On 11/02/2014 19:33, GofBorg wrote:

> Well I am actually playing with OES11 SP2 right now and right off the bat
> the installer barfed with "Failed OES Preconfig. This is a problem worth
> reporting to Novell." :)
>
> Just downloaded off Novell this AM and the md5sums are correct so it
> is a shipping bug. Not seeking support, just providing feedback. These are
> the kinds of things that don't instill confidence. Didn't even get to a
> login before it starts throwing errors.

Well I've successfully installed OES11 SP2 and not seen that error but
of course there are a million and one variables in how you and I did our
installs except this forum is not the place to discuss those.

HTH.
--
Simon
Novell Knowledge Partner

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Simon Flood
12-Feb-2014, 11:47
On 11/02/2014 20:55, GofBorg wrote:

> To further not give the warm fuzzies. When I go to search bugzilla, nowhere
> does it say OES under the product dropdown. So, no way to check if it's been
> submitted already.

Are you logged in? If not, you won't see anything OES-related listed
since it's not a public, free support product.

If you are logged in you'll find OES listed under it's full name of
"Open Enterprise Server" in the Classification box or Novell Open
Enterprise Server / OES under Product.

> Clicking on Enter a Bug report, gives me a page:
> "This webpage has a redirect loop." and bombs.

That's sound like the old "corrupt Novell cookie" issue. Since I can't
recall which one is the problem try clearing all Novell-related cookies.

HTH.
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Novell Knowledge Partner

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GofBorg
13-Feb-2014, 20:45
> Well I've successfully installed OES11 SP2 and not seen that error but
> of course there are a million and one variables in how you and I did our
> installs except this forum is not the place to discuss those.

No worries, I've worked past it.

DE
15-Mar-2014, 03:24
Simon Flood wrote:
> On 11/02/2014 20:55, GofBorg wrote:
....
>> Clicking on Enter a Bug report, gives me a page:
>> "This webpage has a redirect loop." and bombs.
>
> That's sound like the old "corrupt Novell cookie" issue. Since I can't
> recall which one is the problem try clearing all Novell-related cookies.
>
> HTH.
Many spots on the Novell site don't work properly with IE, oddly enough.

And I mean simple things, like logging in from various pages.

-- DE