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cmosentine
15-Apr-2014, 12:38
Hi all: I work for a small medical practice with about 45 employees in three locations. One of our doctors is refusing to move many of our PCs from XP to Windows 7. This doctor is borderline OCD and does not like anything to change, so any PC he touches cannot be upgraded. All the PCs I want to migrate all came with Windows 7 originally, and they do not run custom medical software, so re-imaging them to Windows 7 is trivial.

I have tried to reason with this doctor and have used all of the standard reasons why staying on XP is a bad idea, such as no MS support for security updates, Novell dropping full support (now self support), etc.. I need some more bullets to strengthen my position. Can you help? Or should I just give up and let things break?

KeN Etter
15-Apr-2014, 14:11
On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 11:38:42 GMT, cmosentine
<cmosentine@N0_5pam_vrapc.com> wrote:

>Hi all: I work for a small medical practice with about 45 employees in three locations. One of our doctors is refusing to move many of our PCs from XP to Windows 7. This doctor is borderline OCD and does not like anything to change, so any PC he touches cannot be upgraded. All the PCs I want to migrate all came with Windows 7 originally, and they do not run custom medical software, so re-imaging them to Windows 7 is trivial.
>
>I have tried to reason with this doctor and have used all of the standard reasons why staying on XP is a bad idea, such as no MS support for security updates, Novell dropping full support (now self support), etc.. I need some more bullets to strengthen my position. Can you help? Or should I just give up and let things break?

From a user perspective, Win7 really isn't that much different from
WinXP. Win8.x would be a huge change. But you've probably already
explained that to him.

Could you write something up for him to sign where he assumes full
responsibility for all security breaches? Make him realize that if
something were to happen because of XP that caused the practice to
violate HIPAA rules, that it would be on his shoulders. The risk of
that happening might be slim, but better safe than sorry.

I've moved all users to Win7 and I have a few computers that users do
not touch that are still on XP, but they are going to get upgraded
soon also. Don't know what else to suggest...sorry you have such an
unreasonable person to work with.

malcolmlewis
15-Apr-2014, 14:20
On Tue 15 Apr 2014 11:38:42 AM CDT, cmosentine wrote:

Hi all: I work for a small medical practice with about 45 employees in
three locations. One of our doctors is refusing to move many of our
PCs from XP to Windows 7. This doctor is borderline OCD and does not
like anything to change, so any PC he touches cannot be upgraded. All
the PCs I want to migrate all came with Windows 7 originally, and they
do not run custom medical software, so re-imaging them to Windows 7 is
trivial.

I have tried to reason with this doctor and have used all of the
standard reasons why staying on XP is a bad idea, such as no MS support
for security updates, Novell dropping full support (now self support),
etc.. I need some more bullets to strengthen my position. Can you
help? Or should I just give up and let things break?
Hi
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/enterprise/end-of-support.aspx

You can configure windows 7 to look like XP.

The real question is are there any customized applications or
equipment drivers that don't work with windows 7?

If the hardware supports it, perhaps virtualization of XP instances?

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kgroneman
15-Apr-2014, 14:26
Hey cmosentine:

> Or should I just give up and let things break?

I think that would be my choice in the situation, having well
documented my attempts to convince him to upgrade so they can't blame
you when bad things happen. Tell him to enjoy his computer as long as
it stays running.

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Shaun Pond
15-Apr-2014, 15:51
Kgroneman,

and insist that it's connected to an isolated network segment that has
not Internet access...

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kgroneman
15-Apr-2014, 20:07
Hey KeN Etter:

>From a user perspective, Win7 really isn't that much different from
>WinXP. Win8.x would be a huge change

Really? In my experience the opposite is true. XP to Win7 was a huge
change. Win7 to Win8 not much (if you boot directly to desktop).

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Stevo
15-Apr-2014, 20:45
kgroneman sounds like they 'said':

> Hey KeN Etter:
>
> > From a user perspective, Win7 really isn't that much different from
> > WinXP. Win8.x would be a huge change
>
> Really? In my experience the opposite is true. XP to Win7 was a huge
> change. Win7 to Win8 not much (if you boot directly to desktop).

So my response to kgroneman's comment is...

I think it was meant going from XP to win8.

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KeN Etter
15-Apr-2014, 21:11
On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 19:07:21 GMT, "kgroneman" <kgroneman@novell.com>
wrote:

>Hey KeN Etter:
>
>>From a user perspective, Win7 really isn't that much different from
>>WinXP. Win8.x would be a huge change
>
>Really? In my experience the opposite is true. XP to Win7 was a huge
>change. Win7 to Win8 not much (if you boot directly to desktop).

I meant XP to Win7 vs XP to Win8. But I'm not impressed with Win8 so
I might be a little biased. :-)

Susan
15-Apr-2014, 22:03
The easy way is to not give him a choice. His OCD is his problem, and
he's not borderline anything, he's full-fledged if he can't handle any
change.

I know that sounds pretty cold, but as someone else pointed out, there
could be a security breach on any one of those computers that could
take the whole medical practice down, if it's a serious enough breach.

So I go for the release letter, except I'd make it sound very, very
scary. Make him sign something that indicates his acknowledgement that
in his refusal to allow the computers to be updated, he is fully aware
that he is demanding that the computer system in his location be left
open to breaches including unlawful distribution of HIPAA-protected
medical records.

Make him sign his life away, pledging his real estate and personal
property, all his financial resources including any protected resources
or those placed in the name(s) of family members, and his future
earnings to cover any related costs.

The owner of the company really needs to deal with this. If it's a
partnership, then the partners need to put pressure on him to start
taking the right meds so that his OCD isn't interfering with the
running of the business.

I feel for him as a person. These kinds of illnesses are awful to go
through life with, but no one person should put all others in jeopardy
because they aren't handling their illness properly. He either needs
OCD medication or to see a mental health expert for his inability to
allow change. That's not healthy.

And by simply catering to his demands, that puts the entire practice in
legal jeopardy. Any good attorney should be able to tell you that. : )

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malcolmlewis
15-Apr-2014, 22:44
On Tue 15 Apr 2014 09:03:36 PM CDT, Susan wrote:

I know that sounds pretty cold, but as someone else pointed out, there
could be a security breach on any one of those computers that could
take the whole medical practice down, if it's a serious enough breach.

Yup
One word, cryptolocker and shared drives on the network...yikes!!!

I had a student with it on their laptop...no backup, the time had
expired, a semester of work gone....

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Jim Henderson
15-Apr-2014, 23:09
On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 11:38:42 +0000, cmosentine wrote:

> Hi all: I work for a small medical practice with about 45 employees in
> three locations. One of our doctors is refusing to move many of our PCs
> from XP to Windows 7. This doctor is borderline OCD and does not like
> anything to change, so any PC he touches cannot be upgraded. All the
> PCs I want to migrate all came with Windows 7 originally, and they do
> not run custom medical software, so re-imaging them to Windows 7 is
> trivial.
>
> I have tried to reason with this doctor and have used all of the
> standard reasons why staying on XP is a bad idea, such as no MS support
> for security updates, Novell dropping full support (now self support),
> etc.. I need some more bullets to strengthen my position. Can you help?
> Or should I just give up and let things break?

Make it a money issue:

"I can continue supporting Windows XP for you, but as it is no longer
supported by Microsoft, it will cost you $150/hr (rather than my regular
rate of $75/hr) for me to continue supporting it."

Obviously, substitute your own hourly rate, and go for something like a
2x factor so it's really clear that it would be better to move to Win7
instead. I would also include an agreement that because he won't move
on, that he's assuming liability for security issues because MS isn't
making any further patches available, and that your support will be "best
effort" with no guarantees of a fix for any particular issue - again
citing that you can't fix things that require MS intervention or patches
that won't be developed because XP is EOL.

You might even include an offer of re-training at a discounted rate as an
enticement. Say your normal rate is $75/hr, offer x hours of Win7
retraining at $50/hr to help ease the migration.

Jim
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Jim Henderson
15-Apr-2014, 23:11
On Tue, 15 Apr 2014 21:03:36 +0000, Susan wrote:

> So I go for the release letter, except I'd make it sound very, very
> scary.
> Make him sign something that indicates his acknowledgement that in his
> refusal to allow the computers to be updated, he is fully aware that he
> is demanding that the computer system in his location be left open to
> breaches including unlawful distribution of HIPAA-protected medical
> records.

Ooo, I like that.

Jim



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Anders Gustafsson
16-Apr-2014, 06:18
KeN Etter,
> But I'm not impressed with Win8 so

Neither am I, but 8.1 is somewhat better and AFAIK will the regular
menu be back in 8.2

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KeN Etter
16-Apr-2014, 12:51
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 05:18:26 GMT, Anders Gustafsson
<AndersG@no-mx.forums.novell.com> wrote:

>KeN Etter,
>> But I'm not impressed with Win8 so
>
>Neither am I, but 8.1 is somewhat better and AFAIK will the regular
>menu be back in 8.2

At this point, I'm just glad to have my company all on one desktop OS.
It makes things so much easier.

kgroneman
16-Apr-2014, 15:53
Tangent. I had to laugh just a little when I heard Ford was dropping
Microsoft Sync in it's autos because of problems. I laugh because
there are still sites and adverts out there touting this wonderful
technology as an option in Ford vehicles.
http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/177171-why-microsoft-lost-ford-sync

What makes me laugh more is that Ford is going to Blackberry.

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kgroneman
16-Apr-2014, 15:54
Hey Jim Henderson:

>> So I go for the release letter, except I'd make it sound very, very
>> scary.
>> Make him sign something that indicates his acknowledgement that in
>>his refusal to allow the computers to be updated, he is fully
>>aware that he is demanding that the computer system in his
>>location be left open to breaches including unlawful distribution
>>of HIPAA-protected medical records.
>
>Ooo, I like that.

+1

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KeN Etter
16-Apr-2014, 18:11
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 14:53:06 GMT, "kgroneman" <kgroneman@novell.com>
wrote:

>Tangent. I had to laugh just a little when I heard Ford was dropping
>Microsoft Sync in it's autos because of problems. I laugh because
>there are still sites and adverts out there touting this wonderful
>technology as an option in Ford vehicles.
>http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/177171-why-microsoft-lost-ford-sync
>
>What makes me laugh more is that Ford is going to Blackberry.

I'm not real excited about tech in cars. I don't swap cars every
couple of years, I usually run them to the end. This just seems like
more failure points to me.

kgroneman
16-Apr-2014, 19:56
Hey KeN Etter:

>I'm not real excited about tech in cars. I don't swap cars every
>couple of years, I usually run them to the end. This just seems like
>more failure points to me.

Yea. If it doesn't have a distributor cap, I'm kind of lost these days.

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KeN Etter
16-Apr-2014, 21:14
On Wed, 16 Apr 2014 18:56:23 GMT, "kgroneman" <kgroneman@novell.com>
wrote:

>Hey KeN Etter:
>
>>I'm not real excited about tech in cars. I don't swap cars every
>>couple of years, I usually run them to the end. This just seems like
>>more failure points to me.
>
>Yea. If it doesn't have a distributor cap, I'm kind of lost these days.

I miss my '82 Jeep CJ7. <sigh>

Stevo
16-Apr-2014, 21:47
KeN Etter sounds like they 'said':

> I miss my '82 Jeep CJ7. <sigh>

So my response to KeN's comment is...

I miss my '71 Monte Carlo. I do have my '87 though. Spent a pretty
penny a couple years ago getting all the 'guts' replaced. No computer,
no catalytic converter, etc. Carb, block, headers, exhaust.

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Black, Douglas
16-Apr-2014, 21:55
Stevo,


>
>> I miss my '82 Jeep CJ7. <sigh>
>

>
> I miss my '71 Monte Carlo. I do have my '87 though. Spent a pretty
> penny a couple years ago getting all the 'guts' replaced. No computer,
> no catalytic converter, etc. Carb, block, headers, exhaust.
>

I miss my '70 Nova SS. It wasn't fast, but it handled like a Corvette
(after I upgraded shocks, springs, steering box and sway bars), and the
black lacquer paint job turned heads.

Stevo
16-Apr-2014, 22:19
Black, Douglas sounds like they 'said':

> I miss my '70 Nova SS. It wasn't fast, but it handled like a
> Corvette (after I upgraded shocks, springs, steering box and sway
> bars), and the black lacquer paint job turned heads.
So my response to Black's comment is...

That's next on the list, getting the interior done and paint, prolly
another 15-20k........

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