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sharfuddin
15-Mar-2012, 12:54
in a News archive http://www.redhat.com/about/news/archive/2012/3/red-hat-enterprise-linux-achieves-performance-world-record RED HAT announce that


a new world-record 4-processor result on Linux on the two-tier SAP® Sales and Distribution (SD) standard application benchmark. The results achieved were on the IBM System x®3850 X5 running IBM DB2® 9.7, Red Hat® Enterprise Linux 6, and SAP enhancement package 4 for the SAP ERP application Release 6.0. With more capabilities available in smaller systems and the option of integrated virtualization, enterprises can more flexibly and cost-effectively deploy leading enterprise applications on Red Hat Enterprise Linux with the confidence of industry-leading performance

The new result beats the previous-best 4-processor result of 12,204 SAP SD benchmark users on Linux achieved by the HP ProLiant DL580 G7 running SUSE Linux Enterprise Server.


Why this announcement is wrong/bad/unfair

1 - Dis-similar Hard Ware.. IBM System x®3850 X5 is a better HW then HP ProLiant DL580 G7
https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/mydeveloperworks/blogs/benchmarking/tags/x3850?lang=en

2 - Redhat used IBM DB2, which is better then MaxDB
http://database-management-software.pikimal.com/db2/vs/maxdb

3 - Redhat is comparing RHEL 6(2012) which must be running newer kernel version then SLES 11 SP1(in 2011)

Regards
Muhammad Sharfuddin

kgroneman
15-Mar-2012, 16:16
We live in a world of "spin". Everyone wants to make themselves look
good.

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Dave Howe
15-Mar-2012, 17:29
On 15/03/2012 12:04, sharfuddin wrote:
> Why this announcement is wrong/bad/unfair

Actually, there is nothing wrong with this.

If a car manu sends out a press release that their new model is the
world's fastest, and on a flat track in good weather, it beats the
previous claimant because it has better tires, a bigger engine and a
better digital engine computer than the previous, that's ok provided
a) they detail their setup so that you can duplicate it
b) they use only components that a purchaser *could* combine to have
such a system
c) the previous claimant is free to up his game too, add better tires
and upgrade their computer/engine so they can try and beat the new record.

Being the best in the world is often a fleeting joy, as there will
always be someone better in a few weeks or months if you sit on your
laurels.

craig wilson
15-Mar-2012, 17:37
Perhaps for their next test, Suse should place their server into the
Particle Accelerator ;>

On 3/15/2012 12:29 PM, Dave Howe wrote:
> On 15/03/2012 12:04, sharfuddin wrote:
>> Why this announcement is wrong/bad/unfair
>
> Actually, there is nothing wrong with this.
>
> If a car manu sends out a press release that their new model is the
> world's fastest, and on a flat track in good weather, it beats the
> previous claimant because it has better tires, a bigger engine and a
> better digital engine computer than the previous, that's ok provided
> a) they detail their setup so that you can duplicate it
> b) they use only components that a purchaser *could* combine to have
> such a system
> c) the previous claimant is free to up his game too, add better tires
> and upgrade their computer/engine so they can try and beat the new record.
>
> Being the best in the world is often a fleeting joy, as there will
> always be someone better in a few weeks or months if you sit on your
> laurels.


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Dave Howe
15-Mar-2012, 17:49
On 15/03/2012 16:37, craig wilson wrote:
> Perhaps for their next test, Suse should place their server into the
> Particle Accelerator ;>

Presumably best to duplicate the hardware and DB exactly, use a tuned
instance of SuSE, and if the test is "really" unfair, we should see SuSE
beat RHEL on its own turf.

Of course, what I *EXPECT* to see is that they are much of a muchness
and the benchmarks come out near identical - after all, no matter which
linux you choose, the kernel is much the same and tuning choices for an
instance installed with a given load in mind tend to be identical.

Or if all you really care about is getting in the lead again, wait
until there is a faster quad socket machine from IBM, and get your test
result out there before RHEL think to re-test on the newer kit :)

GofBorg
15-Mar-2012, 17:57
Oh this is nothing...I read an article on Infoworld yesterday that basically
classed SLES as a second rate OS unfit for large business deployments vs
RedHat. An preferred OpenSuSE for small businesses...while I do think
OpenSuSE is fine for small businesses, I don't see the appeal of RedHat over
SLES in large deployments.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/251893/whats_the_best_linux_server_for_you.html

GofBorg
15-Mar-2012, 19:19
> Oh this is nothing...I read an article on Infoworld yesterday that
Sorry, it's PC World.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/251893/whats_the_best_linux_server_for_you.html

craig wilson
15-Mar-2012, 21:14
Actually, It said it was perfectly fine.

And in the Linux World, you have so many folks who are Strong Fans of
different flavors, there is no doubt some will prefer one over the other.



On 3/15/2012 12:57 PM, GofBorg wrote:
> Oh this is nothing...I read an article on Infoworld yesterday that basically
> classed SLES as a second rate OS unfit for large business deployments vs
> RedHat. An preferred OpenSuSE for small businesses...while I do think
> OpenSuSE is fine for small businesses, I don't see the appeal of RedHat over
> SLES in large deployments.
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/251893/whats_the_best_linux_server_for_you.html


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GofBorg
16-Mar-2012, 16:29
> Actually, It said it was perfectly fine.
If you say so. Not the impression I came away with.

craig wilson
16-Mar-2012, 17:15
"Is RHEL is too expensive for your taste? Well, you get what you pay
for, but there are two other worthy business Linux distributions that
deserve corporate attention. These are Oracle Linux and SUSE Linux
Enterprise Server (SLES)."

He makes it quite clear in a few places that he Considers SLES a very
worthy Enterprise Option. Yes he prefers Red Hat, but primarily because
of supposedly greater number of certified engineers and supported
hardware platforms vs a real deep analysis of the OS Itself, which
likely is beyond the author.

On 3/16/2012 11:29 AM, GofBorg wrote:
>> Actually, It said it was perfectly fine.
> If you say so. Not the impression I came away with.
>


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Dave Howe
16-Mar-2012, 17:30
On 16/03/2012 16:15, craig wilson wrote:
> "Is RHEL is too expensive for your taste? Well, you get what you pay
> for, but there are two other worthy business Linux distributions that
> deserve corporate attention. These are Oracle Linux and SUSE Linux
> Enterprise Server (SLES)."
>
> He makes it quite clear in a few places that he Considers SLES a very
> worthy Enterprise Option. Yes he prefers Red Hat, but primarily because
> of supposedly greater number of certified engineers and supported
> hardware platforms vs a real deep analysis of the OS Itself, which
> likely is beyond the author.

I would say that "You get what you pay for" at least implies that a less
expensive option gives you less in return, but I also note that "I
prefer knowing that I have a company behind me, like Oracle, Red Hat, or
SUSE, that has lots of experience in dealing with data-center sized
installations." sounds pretty good - except I am not sure the Sun guys
(who have the above experience) talk to the Linux guys (who predate the
Sun purchase) very much...

leroyjjr
23-Mar-2012, 21:26
I agree - and I know a bashing is deserved for my next comment - "You
get what you pay for" - so here goes - Take the people who bought into
the Windows Server Arena (BSOD Rules!).


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