# Adobe is silly **URL:** \ **Category:** Chatting over the Back Fence\ **Created:** [January 5, 2012, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/adobe-is-silly/22114 "2012-01-05T16:53:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![System1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/51bf81/32.png) [@System1](https://forums.suse.com/u/System1)\ **Post date:** [January 5, 2012, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/adobe-is-silly/22114/1 "2012-01-05T16:53:00Z")
Well, I think we all know that - heehee. But here’s the latest silliness. Joe got a Mac on Saturday. He owns Photoshop CS5 for Windows. I actually own the entire CS5 suite for Mac, and technically I can install it on two Macs, but Joe doesn’t need the entire suite, and you never know when you’ll need to install it again, right? So, since he owns a Windows license I get online and do a chat to see if it can be swapped. I give the rep the serial number, etc. and he sends me to a form for doing a “swap”. We first get an email back that it’s being looked at, with standard verbage that swaps can only be done within 30 days of purchase (it’s been 13 months!), and that the old software must be destroyed, etc. It was a download. Yesterday we got the followup message. They cannot “swap” the product, because it’s been more than 30 days. They did offer though that Joe can “return” the downloadable product for a refund, and then purchase a new copy. Huh? The two products cost exactly the same. Now, if they wish to “prorate” some kind of cost for the one year of usage, that will be interesting. I’ve asked them about it. In any event, it just seems to me like it’s a lot of “paperwork” to end up with the same product in a different OS - heehee. – Danita Novell Knowledge Partner Upgrading to GroupWise 2012? [http://www.caledonia.net/gw12upg.html](http://www.caledonia.net/gw12upg.html) ---
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Yup that sounds pretty silly to me! ## – JAMES GOSLING ‘[www.jamesgosling.com](http://www.jamesgosling.com)’ ([http://www.jamesgosling.com](http://www.jamesgosling.com)) ‘[www.novellblog.com](http://www.novellblog.com)’ ([http://www.novellblog.com](http://www.novellblog.com)) jamesgosling’s Profile: [http://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=9688](http://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=9688) View this thread: [http://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=450323](http://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=450323) ---
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Google: gimp Just send me the license fee for it once you get it installed. Good luck. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - [http://enigmail.mozdev.org/](http://enigmail.mozdev.org/) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPBcLiAAoJEF+XTK08PnB5BFUP/0BG4RDpGm9pS9ttpJ4iq/Mr oiQwD3kqEWRO+uM+y4vHYRq48aiQ3NcKbfSPcZCNZM3LsWJiRM27FHzlytRbWGwR 2hVJQLR+cd1LM7z7ZpqIPM09QaIUsEh3FN/rNzR5+n01K1i6qsq6XTe34kgrnvQM TBH8TYMYu/02fdEPaZkPGJoXnChSf+cVbwtxs9ldIoNte12WhKDjKqQ4C4YS3PgP Q2IQqf2NZDMhqyRK7BB7JXFmrgk6j0Tak5r83GPWCln27Ia5edXZvF8ssjKuYDya OsaFaFjqyLt9q7/6U70vLnzCLJxahTJurIPySNK0Nf59+DmlbBjVPGY2rrrFffgX tHrMxjRSONtX3zBqyicJbtyrLbmOAdoszw05LrxUtDI5mpFxRHtDrMbjlU1JJ/vG Vx7Lzoi/8HdzhjTs+06rIaed1/yqMeIiYOCr7M95trL/VIyguVFEGhl8I5ptZoK5 7ei/vljZuDlbH7n/GpMk7CIf4qCwKhTx6vsUrY+jsR+t+1IKhO8vLKHDJV4nz1Mj zTF0InRDxFnQsDazitq01+6DJu0h5jF2XSoCWsz01va0qsZUxyQOlZyn4iuC8vFn ju+pDMa2duhDD+qcA/RrJTqbw4KySL2z3UNLi+xpCrRTbtt67aAE1/ey+2slkT4G 5gjWBSC3DGf3iqUo7NRG =ik27 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ---
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On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 15:33:33 GMT ab [ab@novell.com](mailto:ab@novell.com) wrote: [color=blue] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Google: gimp > > Just send me the license fee for it once you get it installed. > [/color] Hi And the light-weight version is pinta… they need mac testers… [http://pinta-project.com/](http://pinta-project.com/) PS, just send the license fee to Aaron… Then there is mypaint (I’m one of the openSUSE Maintainers) [http://mypaint.intilinux.com/](http://mypaint.intilinux.com/) ## Again, send the license fee to Aaron…he Cheers Malcolm °¿° (Linux Counter #276890) openSUSE 12.1 (x86\_64) Kernel 3.1.0-1.2-desktop up 13:09, 4 users, load average: 0.01, 0.03, 0.05 CPU Intel i5 CPU M520@2.40GHz | Intel Arrandale GPU ---
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I remember many (many many) years ago I worked for a company and had the job or sorting out their licensing. We found an enormous pile of Microsoft licenses, but by looking at them there was no way of knowing what they were for. We rang Microsoft and they had no idea either, they just asked us what we wanted them to be licenses for. We said Office Professional please and they happily registered them. Somehow I don’t think they’d be so lax today. ## – JAMES GOSLING ‘[www.jamesgosling.com](http://www.jamesgosling.com)’ ([http://www.jamesgosling.com](http://www.jamesgosling.com)) ‘[www.novellblog.com](http://www.novellblog.com)’ ([http://www.novellblog.com](http://www.novellblog.com)) jamesgosling’s Profile: [http://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=9688](http://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=9688) View this thread: [http://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=450323](http://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=450323) ---
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On 05.01.2012 16:33, ab wrote:[color=blue] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Google: gimp > > Just send me the license fee for it once you get it installed.[/color] Comparing Gimp to Photoshop CS is like comparing DOS to Netware. ## CU, Massimo Rosen Novell Knowledge Partner No emails please! [http://www.cfc-it.de](http://www.cfc-it.de) ---
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 That’s a pretty common claim that I’ve heard, but so is comparing a Maserati to a Ford Pinto. Does Joe have somewhere he can go 300 km/h or faster? Is he really going to need the features that make the Photoshop snobs…, er, purists need Photoshop over something like Gimp? Maybe. Does 99.999% of the population? No. Having used both I can’t tell the difference (I, too, do not have a Maserati, or a need to drive one, even figuratively in this sense). Good luck. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.15 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - [http://enigmail.mozdev.org/](http://enigmail.mozdev.org/) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJPBdF4AAoJEF+XTK08PnB5/JgQAIM9MHjUZSZ2ss/TDgLF8PuP 6BqwNdkFIevgt3krN/I+iFcuBuEfbo4xPhffoLv9z2Yv0k8kilqyGzCJFZ/eTgyR bWcBbgz2Z3xrRnifH7ky7b2EmStUFqUDKBnYMrQSMZvcDBSS3Pg91PFIIuGmY+GI 3uk9Ex+pD5wPa3dBLbxW/MOV0Vi7JoERFWcJbPf5knPrXHOENKpIIK/JcCUGeX8Y tlRryYSd8fmIbfPvEkQTl2grTvTda1NeJgzir7zL/maBop7q/irwJ1FKAtE4KNVa 1viknuzbwcBMSlnunirVqQb2HoKzMO97gBE3sIDlDgYFhx5rPNqhI5LflLptn8Ea pBBK3bBbcrojEvD/FcNBrllDrkAdGKRKi88neKLc8dLYLngFUqxBerT19PtwoFUN uwMf9Ui5P0h+pIwfrcc4Uo70FOcwv6kAiRtWU+kJR6AXWE4Pgq85mpws8HsBe5fj rEclspCa5V61fOhGry15lbHmudpimEqIkmnr8nVZG+OkBeIc0lIk3VYqWq7uibDT jS4AU5rDB/DceLHJtqed+AeNwRt4Tae6hiIVTGsW6ttn6OlGjnPIEfrgVuNXo9Ss pVRaoGsGu53DnnBCvkO9Cyn7eOR5FV5fyzSVJqLrQuoT8nXLyXgMOa502GFoM+Gv UChC5MPQKuufOV8Iw/NU =aM/s -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ---
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On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:35:47 +0000, ab wrote: [color=blue] > Having used both I can’t tell the difference[/color] The biggest difference is that GIMP can’t handle high enough colour depth for professionals. That’s been a long-standing issue with it, and if Joe does professional design, that limitation would be significant. Jim – Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10 Novell Knowledge Partner ---
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On 05.01.2012 18:00, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=blue] > On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:35:47 +0000, ab wrote: > [color=green] > > > Having used both I can’t tell the difference[/color] > > The biggest difference is that GIMP can’t handle high enough colour depth > for professionals. That’s been a long-standing issue with it, and if Joe > does professional design, that limitation would be significant.[/color] Not quite. It’s an issue (actually, a showstopper) for anybody aiming for quality results. I wouldn’t take pictures with a 4MP P&S camera, and I wouldn’t touch pictures with gimp. It’s akin to a music pro doing all their mixing of tracks with MP3 files instead of 24bit 92khz uncompressed tracks. ## CU, Massimo Rosen Novell Knowledge Partner No emails please! [http://www.cfc-it.de](http://www.cfc-it.de) ---
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On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 17:07:10 +0000, Massimo Rosen wrote: [color=blue] > On 05.01.2012 18:00, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=green] > > > On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 16:35:47 +0000, ab wrote: > > [color=darkred] > > > > > Having used both I can’t tell the difference[/color] > > > > The biggest difference is that GIMP can’t handle high enough colour > > depth for professionals. That’s been a long-standing issue with it, > > and if Joe does professional design, that limitation would be > > significant.[/color] > > Not quite. It’s an issue (actually, a showstopper) for anybody aiming > for quality results.[/color] Depends on the quality you want and how you define “quality”. I have used the GIMP for editing/touching up camera images and have had very good results. But I also tend to capture in RAW format, and use dcraw to import into the GIMP - most of my adjustments are done in dcraw (or ufraw, which is the front-end I use). It also deals with dead pixels quite effectively. [color=blue] > I wouldn’t take pictures with a 4MP P&S camera, and > I wouldn’t touch pictures with gimp. It’s akin to a music pro doing all > their mixing of tracks with MP3 files instead of 24bit 92khz > uncompressed tracks.[/color] Again, depends on what the desired results are. Jim – Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10 Novell Knowledge Partner ---
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On 05/01/2012 14:53, DZanre wrote: [color=blue] > Yesterday we got the followup message. They cannot “swap” the product, because > it’s been more than 30 days. They did offer though that Joe can “return” the > downloadable product for a refund, and then purchase a new copy. Huh? The two > products cost exactly the same. Now, if they wish to “prorate” some kind of > cost for the one year of usage, that will be interesting. I’ve asked them about > it. In any event, it just seems to me like it’s a lot of “paperwork” to end up > with the same product in a different OS - heehee.[/color] Does he need the full PhotoShop? Would Elements not suffice? ## HTH. Simon Novell/SUSE/NetIQ Knowledge Partner * * * ## Do you work with Novell technologies at a university, college or school? If so, your campus could benefit from joining the Novell Technology Transfer Partner (TTP) program. See [novell.com/ttp](http://novell.com/ttp) for more details. ---
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Simon Flood wrote: [color=blue] > Does he need the full PhotoShop? Would Elements not suffice?[/color] He has both - and honestly as much as he paid for PhotoShop I want him to at least get a license we can use on something here! He didn’t realize that with “students” in our house, there are great discounts to be had from Adobe. – Danita Novell Knowledge Partner Upgrading to GroupWise 2012? [http://www.caledonia.net/gw12upg.html](http://www.caledonia.net/gw12upg.html) ---
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ab wrote: [color=blue] > Does Joe have somewhere he can go 300 km/h or faster? Is he really going to > need the features that make the Photoshop snobs…, er, purists need Photoshop > over something like Gimp?[/color] Well, he is becoming a bit of a photography nut, and has taken multiple Photoshop courses, etc. It’s something he likes doing, and it keeps him out of the bars . . . . – Danita Novell Knowledge Partner Upgrading to GroupWise 2012? [http://www.caledonia.net/gw12upg.html](http://www.caledonia.net/gw12upg.html) ---
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jamesgosling wrote: [color=blue] > We said Office Professional please and they happily registered them. Somehow I > don’t think they’d be so lax today.[/color] Heehee – Danita Novell Knowledge Partner Upgrading to GroupWise 2012? [http://www.caledonia.net/gw12upg.html](http://www.caledonia.net/gw12upg.html) ---
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Jim, On 05.01.2012 18:15, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=blue] > Depends on the quality you want and how you define “quality”.[/color] The quality anybody expects that’s currently using Photoshop (CS). 😉 I’m pretty active in several photo related communities. _Nobody_ uses Gimp. Not even the Linux users (of which there are quite a few). I also read a _lot_ of magazines and thus tests of picture editing software. _If_ Gimp is included in those tests, it comes in a distant last. I can’t remember any test with a different result in the last 5 years. I know it hurts some die-hard Linux geeks, but just because something is the only software available on Linux for a given task, doesn’t mean it’s actually good or even up to it. Quite seriously, I don’t know for whom Gimp would be a good choice. For casual users it’s way too big and complex, and for enthusiasts and pros it simply doesn’t cut it. ## CU, Massimo Rosen Novell Knowledge Partner No emails please! [http://www.cfc-it.de](http://www.cfc-it.de) ---
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On Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:19:43 +0000, Massimo Rosen wrote: [color=blue] > Jim, > > On 05.01.2012 18:15, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=green] > > > Depends on the quality you want and how you define “quality”.[/color] > > The quality anybody expects that’s currently using Photoshop (CS). 😉 > > I’m pretty active in several photo related communities. _Nobody_ uses > Gimp. Not even the Linux users (of which there are quite a few). I also > read a _lot_ of magazines and thus tests of picture editing software. > _If_ Gimp is included in those tests, it comes in a distant last. I > can’t remember any test with a different result in the last 5 years.[/color] That’s fair. [color=blue] > I know it hurts some die-hard Linux geeks, but just because something is > the only software available on Linux for a given task, doesn’t mean it’s > actually good or even up to it.[/color] Doesn’t hurt me at all. I use the GIMP and it meets my needs. [color=blue] > Quite seriously, I don’t know for whom Gimp would be a good choice. For > casual users it’s way too big and complex, and for enthusiasts and pros > it simply doesn’t cut it.[/color] Well, as I said, it’s a good choice for me - it’s what I have, what I’m comfortable with using, and it’s what has met my needs. One of my needs: Not spending money on software that I would only occasionally use. 🙂 ## Jim Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10 Novell Knowledge Partner ---
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Jim Henderson wrote: [color=blue] > One of my needs: Not spending money on software that I would only > occasionally use. :)[/color] And that’s a perfectly fair reason to use it. – Danita Novell Knowledge Partner Upgrading to GroupWise 2012? [http://www.caledonia.net/gw12upg.html](http://www.caledonia.net/gw12upg.html) ---
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[http://workingwebmaster.com/gimp-vs-photoshop/](http://workingwebmaster.com/gimp-vs-photoshop/) simplistic, but not an unuseful comparison ---
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Jim, On 06.01.2012 00:35, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=blue] > Well, as I said, it’s a good choice for me - it’s what I have, what I’m > comfortable with using, and it’s what has met my needs. One of my > needs: Not spending money on software that I would only occasionally > use. :)[/color] I know many users that use inferiour software just because they’re used to it, and it’s “free”. Can you say Outlook (Express)? 😉 Of course that’s fine. But suggesting to drop something _vastly_ superiour that someone else is already used to and owns, like Aaron did here for the sake of some very personal, political and emotional OS(S) preference is beyond me. That’s what sometimes really stirs me up with the OSS community. Yes, the Gimp is an impressive piece of software considering where it comes from, as is Linux itself, MySQL, Aapche or other OSS software. But just because it’s OSS doesn’t mean it’s better, or the answer to all questions. Some reality check would sometimes help. There are reasons why such an enormous majority of desktop users use windows and macs instead of Linux. It’s not because they’re all stupid, but it’s because the amount of higher quality software (paid _and_ free) for almost every task at hand is simply dwarfing linux. And no, this time david doesn’t stand the slightest chance vs. goliath. The reason why macs had a chance vs. windows? Because although the sheer amount of available software is and always was tiny compared with windows, they always had at least one _top notch_, professional (and commercial) offering, that could easily take it up with the best software available on windows (and there also usually was at least one "good enough, cheap offering). Photoshop is just one prime example. There is _no_ software for linux that can even remotely compete with PS, fact. Thus, for anybody being serious about picture editing, linux isn’t the right choice, period. I’m tired of linux fanboys denying that simple and overwhelmingly obvious fact (not targeted at you). This is and always was one of linux core problems in the desktop market. The denial of the community that there are (many) things the “other side” simply does much better. ## CU, Massimo Rosen Novell Knowledge Partner No emails please! [http://www.cfc-it.de](http://www.cfc-it.de) ---
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