# Cloud question
**URL:** https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725
**Category:** Chatting over the Back Fence
**Created:** [October 3, 2016, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725 "2016-10-03T23:52:37Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [October 4, 2016, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725/21 "2016-10-04T19:49:38Z")
malcolmlewis sounds like they ‘said’:
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> Nope not April 1st\ ;)[/color]
Right, I haven’t received any bd wishes, so that must be the case. 😉
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> So how much storage do you use (if it’s ok to ask?)…[/color]
Current amount of space allocated for file & email storage.
File (including OS, apps storage, roaming profiles, etc): ~4,009 GB
Email (including OS): ~883 GB
These are VMs on different hosts at different locations and obviously
have free space on their respective file / email volumes.
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Stevo
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [October 4, 2016, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725/22 "2016-10-04T19:51:29Z")
Susan sounds like they ‘said’:
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> If you don’t believe it’s the case, then do a spreadsheet of actual
> figures, but don’t be surprised if they ignore it, anyway. Once MS
> gets a grip on a decision maker, they don’t let go. They have other
> ways of persuading decision makers to choose MS.[/color]
So my response to Susan’s comment is…
Oh believe me, I understand that. We were somewhat promised the
cheaper way to go a few years ago was to ditch edir (aside from what we
get with our GW licensing) and go with a.d. Did that and it seems
every time we turn around there’s some additional fee, licensing, or
maintenance we need to start paying.
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Stevo
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [October 5, 2016, 2:02am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725/23 "2016-10-05T02:02:52Z")
Stevo:
Then that might be a good report to give them. Their initial promised
costs before the changes, and what it’s now become after, showing the
additional charges that have been tacked on since the onset of the
changes.
That would be a pretty strong argument against believing MS, if
nothing else, but certainly regarding projected “savings” and costs.
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725/24 "2016-11-02T00:14:57Z")
Well, I’ve been informed. We’re going to migrate to the cloud. I
still voiced my displeasure, and asked if, down the road a few years,
m$ cranks the pricing way up after I could laugh in everyone’s faces.
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Stevo
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2016, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725/25 "2016-11-02T16:03:04Z")
Stevo:
I’m so sorry for you, but I confess I’m not surprised. You might not
have to wait for a raise in the prices to say “I told you so”,
though. There are other things, besides hikes in prices, that can
happen that could have a negative impact on them. One hopes, for
their sake and yours, that doesn’t happen, but it’s possible. 🙂
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2016, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725/26 "2016-11-02T16:24:44Z")
Susan sounds like they ‘said’:
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> Stevo:
>
> I’m so sorry for you, but I confess I’m not surprised. You might not
> have to wait for a raise in the prices to say “I told you so”,
> though. There are other things, besides hikes in prices, that can
> happen that could have a negative impact on them. One hopes, for
> their sake and yours, that doesn’t happen, but it’s possible. :)[/color]
So my response to Susan’s comment is…
I am definitely not looking forward to it. I don’t like the loss of
control for one.
I might be the one that, when a user calls saying they can’t get to
something in their files or email, just gives them the number to call
micro$oft. That or the first time email doesn’t go to/from some domain
or something, I will just laugh and laugh.
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Stevo
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2016, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725/27 "2016-11-02T18:12:52Z")
Stevo:
I can already see the day, and imagine the post from you in here. 🙂
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2016, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725/28 "2016-11-02T18:24:12Z")
Susan sounds like they ‘said’:
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> Stevo:
>
> I can already see the day, and imagine the post from you in here. :)[/color]
So my response to Susan’s comment is…
😉
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Stevo
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### Author:  [@kgroneman](https://forums.suse.com/u/kgroneman)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2016, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725/29 "2016-11-02T18:38:48Z")
Just don’t come running to you when one day the “cloud” is down and
nothing is working that day, right?
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Kim - 11/2/2016 10:38:23 AM
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2016, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725/30 "2016-11-02T18:45:05Z")
Susan sounds like they ‘said’:
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> Stevo:
>
> I can already see the day, and imagine the post from you in here. :)[/color]
So my response to Susan’s comment is…
Quick question, we are supposedly going to stagger the migration, but
I’m wondering what will happen with our Groupwise licenses? The
maintenance expires Dec 31. I’m wondering if we don’t renew
maintenance for the next year, will we still be able to use Groupwise
or not?
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Stevo
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [November 2, 2016, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725/31 "2016-11-02T18:45:34Z")
kgroneman sounds like they ‘said’:
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> Just don’t come running to you when one day the “cloud” is down and
> nothing is working that day, right?[/color]
So my response to kgroneman’s comment is…
EGGG…ZACTLY.
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Stevo
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725/32 "2016-11-03T00:14:40Z")
Stevo:
I’ve no idea, but let me see if I can find an answer for you, or a
better place for you to ask than where someone has no idea!
The new microfocus.support.technical-discussions might be a good
place to post such a question. People with either the answer, or who
know where to find it, are probably monitoring that group. 🙂
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725/33 "2016-11-03T00:35:22Z")
Susan sounds like they ‘said’:
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> Stevo:
>
> I’ve no idea, but let me see if I can find an answer for you, or a
> better place for you to ask than where someone has no idea!
>
> The new microfocus.support.technical-discussions might be a good
> place to post such a question. People with either the answer, or who
> know where to find it, are probably monitoring that group. :)[/color]
So my response to Susan’s comment is…
Ok, I just figured with your Goddess status, you would know. 😃
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Stevo
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 1:59am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725/34 "2016-11-03T01:59:32Z")
Stevo:
When it comes to licensing issues, I try to refrain from involvement
because they’re always sort of a nightmare maze of more words than
necessary, and less clarity than appropriate. This is one of those
issues where wisdom dictates staying out of that mess. 🙂
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 3:46pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725/35 "2016-11-03T15:46:11Z")
Susan sounds like they ‘said’:
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> Stevo:
>
> When it comes to licensing issues, I try to refrain from involvement
> because they’re always sort of a nightmare maze of more words than
> necessary, and less clarity than appropriate. This is one of those
> issues where wisdom dictates staying out of that mess. :)[/color]
So my response to Susan’s comment is…
Gotcha. #GoCubsGo
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Stevo
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### Author:  [@kgroneman](https://forums.suse.com/u/kgroneman)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725/36 "2016-11-03T17:25:23Z")
I’m always a little amazed at how people trust some external
system/company to host critical systems.
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Kim - 11/3/2016 9:24:47 AM
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### Author:  [@Jim1](https://forums.suse.com/u/Jim1)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725/37 "2016-11-03T17:57:03Z")
On Thu, 03 Nov 2016 15:25:23 +0000, kgroneman wrote:
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> I’m always a little amazed at how people trust some external
> system/company to host critical systems.[/color]
It’s a cost question, ultimately. No different than, say, buying a
popular operating system and having a week-long outage because of a
defect. It’s in your data center, but you’re still dependent on the
vendor for a fix, and if the incident isn’t being handled effectively,
you’re still down.
BTDTGTTS.
Ultimately, it comes down to how the cloud provider deals with redundancy
- but if they’ve done it right, you can achieve the same kinds of uptime
that you would with on-premises solutions.
(For those who don’t know, I work for a company that provides both SaaS
and on-prem solutions)
–
Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10
Novell/SUSE/NetIQ Knowledge Partner
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725/38 "2016-11-03T18:30:04Z")
kgroneman sounds like they ‘said’:
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> I’m always a little amazed at how people trust some external
> system/company to host critical systems.[/color]
So my response to kgroneman’s comment is…
Oh believe me, I’m on the same page, especially when it’s m$ .
Ironic thing is, I mentioned a project we’re working on (updating 2012
servers to 2012r2, pretty much our file servers left), saying we will
be able to skip these as they will be going away, boss said he doesn’t
see us ever getting rid of our file servers.
WTH is the point of keeping these servers when our data will be in the
‘cloud’?
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Stevo
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### Author:  [@malcolmlewis](https://forums.suse.com/u/malcolmlewis)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725/39 "2016-11-03T19:03:16Z")
> [@](#):
>
> On Thu 03 Nov 2016 03:57:03 PM CDT, Jim Henderson wrote:
>
> On Thu, 03 Nov 2016 15:25:23 +0000, kgroneman wrote:
> [color=blue]
>
> > I’m always a little amazed at how people trust some external
> > system/company to host critical systems.[/color]
>
> It’s a cost question, ultimately. No different than, say, buying a
> popular operating system and having a week-long outage because of a
> defect. It’s in your data center, but you’re still dependent on the
> vendor for a fix, and if the incident isn’t being handled effectively,
> you’re still down.
>
> BTDTGTTS.
>
> Ultimately, it comes down to how the cloud provider deals with
> redundancy
>
> - but if they’ve done it right, you can achieve the same kinds of
> uptime that you would with on-premises solutions.
>
> (For those who don’t know, I work for a company that provides both SaaS
> and on-prem solutions)
Hi
It’s also (hopefully) identifying potential points of failure along the
way at least with an inhouse solution (assuming in the same locale) you
have a bit more control.
Then there is bandwidth requirements for all the incoming and outgoing
data… what about diversity if something outside is affected. At
least inhouse can still access data, may not be able to to facebook or
send emails…but can still carry on normal operations?
Point in case a educational institution here decided to implement
students BYOH, all should be good, wound up having to upgrade their
network internal (wireless and ethernet) and external to carry the
extra ‘cloud’ load… $$$
And don’t get me started on privacy information loss (and our son is on
this list, through a third party which we had no control over.)
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### Author:  [@Jim1](https://forums.suse.com/u/Jim1)
#### Post date: [November 3, 2016, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/cloud-question/28725/40 "2016-11-03T21:00:14Z")
On Thu, 03 Nov 2016 17:03:16 +0000, malcolmlewis wrote:
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> Hi It’s also (hopefully) identifying potential points of failure along
> the way at least with an inhouse solution (assuming in the same locale)
> you have a bit more control.
>
> Then there is bandwidth requirements for all the incoming and outgoing
> data… what about diversity if something outside is affected. At least
> inhouse can still access data, may not be able to to facebook or send
> emails…but can still carry on normal operations?
>
> Point in case a educational institution here decided to implement
> students BYOH, all should be good, wound up having to upgrade their
> network internal (wireless and ethernet) and external to carry the extra
> ‘cloud’ load… $$$
>
> And don’t get me started on privacy information loss (and our son is on
> this list, through a third party which we had no control over.)[/color]
Yep, all of which comes down to the cost equation.
We’ve seen plenty of examples where data that was housed “internally” was
compromised as well - look at things like the Target breach for examples
of how “in-house” solutions still aren’t a guarantee of control or
security of PII.
Jim
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Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10
Novell/SUSE/NetIQ Knowledge Partner
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