# GW migration tools

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**Category:** Chatting over the Back Fence\
**Created:** [July 1, 2014, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/gw-migration-tools/25805 "2014-07-01T09:06:18Z")\
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**Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 9:06am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/gw-migration-tools/25805/1 "2014-07-01T09:06:18Z")

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Hi,

Any recommendations for mail migration tools from GroupWise (2012) and Lotus notes into Google mail (or) O365? Few comments from experiences and tips would also be nice. 🙂

Feeling sad to leave the “trusted workhorse” but Novell just does not see that they are missing the critical UCC components = well integrated audio / video / desktop sharing capabilities… ☹

-Jouko-

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**Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/gw-migration-tools/25805/2 "2014-07-01T16:23:29Z")

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Jouko Oksanen,  
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> Any recommendations for mail migration tools from GroupWise (2012) and  
> Lotus notes into Google mail (or) O365? Few comments from experiences  
> and tips would also be nice. 🙂  
> Feeling sad to leave the “trusted workhorse” but Novell just does  
> not see that they are missing the critical UCC components = well  
> integrated audio / video / desktop sharing capabilities… :([/color]

I won’t dispute your business decisions, but IMO it’s kind of tacky to  
ask a vendor for help migrating to a competitor’s product.

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**Post date:** [July 1, 2014, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/gw-migration-tools/25805/3 "2014-07-01T17:22:44Z")

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Hey Jouko Oksanen:  
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> Any recommendations for mail migration tools from GroupWise (2012)  
> and Lotus notes into Google mail (or) O365?[/color]

If you do that it would be a big mistake. Do you really want to trust  
Google to not make major changes? Do you want to trust them with the  
privacy of your email. It’s really a good thing you posted here before  
you make one of the biggest mistakes of your life! [whew!].

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Kim - 7/1/2014 8:21:21 AM

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**Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 2:06pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/gw-migration-tools/25805/4 "2014-07-02T14:06:42Z")

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Oh, I though that it stated “chat” but obviously it should state “sales”… 😉

As I understood that the forums are not official support or sales channels and here people can talk openly about all the things related to Novell - good or bad, in this case IMHO bad.

-j-

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> > > Black, [Douglasdougperiodblack@osumcperiod.edu](mailto:Douglasdougperiodblack@osumcperiod.edu)\> 1.7.2014 16:23 \>\>  
> > > [/color][/color][/color]

I won’t dispute your business decisions, but IMO it’s kind of tacky to  
ask a vendor for help migrating to a competitor’s product.

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**Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/gw-migration-tools/25805/5 "2014-07-02T14:12:38Z")

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Hey Kim,

Yes, I’m begging for something bad to happen here… 🙂

Believe me, I have been working with Novell products for +10 years and have been very satisfied with those - or not fully with ZCM10 🙂 but most of those. But the roadmaps of the core UCC products just wont serve our business anymore → change has to be made.

Of course I do not trust the biggest players cloud security and privacy so much. But if you think that anything you put into network in form of email or file storage (internal or external) should be treated as “public information” from security perspective - helps a lot. I would also like to see someone from ICT security management to say with full confidence that their data is totally safe in internal network - even “against” the public intelligence agencies.

But yes, thanks anyway… 🙂

-j-

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> > > kgroneman[kgroneman@novell.com](mailto:kgroneman@novell.com) 1.7.2014 17:22 \>\>\>  
> > > [/color][/color][/color]  
> > > Hey Jouko Oksanen:

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> Any recommendations for mail migration tools from GroupWise (2012)  
> and Lotus notes into Google mail (or) O365?  
> [/color]

If you do that it would be a big mistake. Do you really want to trust  
Google to not make major changes? Do you want to trust them with the  
privacy of your email. It’s really a good thing you posted here before  
you make one of the biggest mistakes of your life! [whew!].

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Kim - 7/1/2014 8:21:21 AM

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**Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/gw-migration-tools/25805/6 "2014-07-02T18:04:44Z")

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Jouku:

Doug doesn’t work for Novell, has never worked for Novell, and has  
posted his own opinions in this newsgroup on various subjects over  
the years, and was doing the same with his message to you. I can  
understand why you might not have enjoyed hearing it, but he had the  
right to give his opinion. 🙂

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**Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/gw-migration-tools/25805/7 "2014-07-02T23:33:50Z")

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Susan,

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> Doug doesn’t work for Novell, has never worked for Novell, and has  
> posted his own opinions in this newsgroup on various subjects over  
> the years, and was doing the same with his message to you. I can  
> understand why you might not have enjoyed hearing it, but he had the  
> right to give his opinion. 🙂  
> [/color]

I did interview with Novell once. 🙂

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**Post date:** [July 2, 2014, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/gw-migration-tools/25805/8 "2014-07-02T23:51:30Z")

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Hey Black, Douglas:  
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> I did interview with Novell once.[/color]

What a coincidence. So did I!

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Kim - 7/2/2014 2:51:20 PM

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**Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/gw-migration-tools/25805/9 "2014-07-03T11:58:31Z")

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On 01/07/2014 14:23, Black, Douglas wrote:[color=blue]

> Jouko Oksanen,  
> I won’t dispute your business decisions, but IMO it’s kind of tacky to  
> ask a vendor for help migrating to a competitor’s product.[/color]

I would argue the opposite.

Obviously, while this is an “offical” forum hosted by netiq, most if  
not all of the content is user-generated - its perfectly fine to ask  
other users for advice, surely?

And second, while I have seen vendor forums that banned users for even  
mentioning competing products (and we won’t go into the furball around  
nagios and monitoring-plugins/nagiosql) I would look askance at any  
company who felt that, once _your_ data was in their product, it is  
verboden to want to extract it and move it to another similar product  
from another vendor. While that sort of thing might lead to some short  
term business retention, long term it will lead to avoidance of dealing  
with a company so committed to customer lock-in.

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**Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/gw-migration-tools/25805/10 "2014-07-03T13:45:34Z")

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On 07/03/2014 02:58 AM, Dave Howe wrote:[color=blue]

> On 01/07/2014 14:23, Black, Douglas wrote:[color=green]
> 
> > Jouko Oksanen,  
> > I won’t dispute your business decisions, but IMO it’s kind of tacky to  
> > ask a vendor for help migrating to a competitor’s product.[/color]
> 
> I would argue the opposite.
> 
> Obviously, while this is an “offical” forum hosted by netiq, most if  
> not all of the content is user-generated - its perfectly fine to ask  
> other users for advice, surely?
> 
> And second, while I have seen vendor forums that banned users for even  
> mentioning competing products (and we won’t go into the furball around  
> nagios and monitoring-plugins/nagiosql) I would look askance at any  
> company who felt that, once _your_ data was in their product, it is  
> verboden to want to extract it and move it to another similar product  
> from another vendor. While that sort of thing might lead to some short  
> term business retention, long term it will lead to avoidance of dealing  
> with a company so committed to customer lock-in.[/color]

I do not think that (permissibility, etc.) was the original statement.  
The original statement was that, in one person’s opinion, it’s kind of  
tacky to do this.

The irony in this is probably that of all the products of all the  
companies out there, Novell’s GroupWise has been one of the easiest  
proprietary products to migrate from, and Novell made it easy by providing  
connectors to other tools which were almost exclusively used for migrating  
to competing products.

Still, I agree with the original sentiment. Asking the old vendor for  
tools to migrate to the new vendor seems (IMO) tacky, and if I was ever in  
that position (migrating to a new vendor) and the new vendor did not  
provide tools to help with that migration, I’d have to wonder about either  
the logic of my plan or the logic of my choice of new vendor to implement  
the plan.

Step 1: Migrate stuff to new vendor: Fail  
Step 2: ???  
Step 3: Dust off resumé.

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**Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/gw-migration-tools/25805/11 "2014-07-03T14:23:14Z")

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That doesn’t count.

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Susan  
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**Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/gw-migration-tools/25805/12 "2014-07-03T14:23:15Z")

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David:

I agree with you completely in terms of locking of data. That’s not a  
stance of Novell, Netiq or any of the business units owned by the  
company. I say that as a volunteer for almost two decades, now, of  
experience with the company, and not an employee.

I would counter argue that a non-employee user pointing out his  
opinion of the asking in the company’s newsgroup of how to move from  
the company’s product isn’t even CLOSE to being a company opinion or  
stance, so your concern about that can be relaxed and forgotten.

I don’t believe anyone said he couldn’t ask, someone just gave a  
personal opinion about the asking. 🙂

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kgroneman wrote:  
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> If you do that it would be a big mistake. Do you really want to trust  
> Google to not make major changes? Do you want to trust them with the  
> privacy of your email. It’s really a good thing you posted here  
> before you make one of the biggest mistakes of your life! [whew!].[/color]

I agree. 🙂

Plus in all seriousness, the upcoming update to GMS will make it  
possible for Outlook users to connect to a GW backend via GMS. Since  
most UUC products integrate with Outlook, not Exchange (or O365), that  
will make the move even less necessary.

–  
Does this washcloth smell like chloroform?

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**Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/gw-migration-tools/25805/14 "2014-07-03T16:43:04Z")

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Joseph Marton sounds like they ‘said’:  
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> Plus in all seriousness, the upcoming update to GMS will make it  
> possible for Outlook users to connect to a GW backend via GMS. Since  
> most UUC products integrate with Outlook, not Exchange (or O365), that  
> will make the move even less necessary.[/color]

So my response to Joseph’s comment is…

Any idea on the proposed release of this update?

–  
Stevo

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**Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/gw-migration-tools/25805/15 "2014-07-03T22:12:06Z")

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Stevo wrote:  
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> Any idea on the proposed release of this update?[/color]

Hopefully by the end of this year.

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**Post date:** [July 3, 2014, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/gw-migration-tools/25805/16 "2014-07-03T22:33:20Z")

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Joseph Marton sounds like they ‘said’:  
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> Hopefully by the end of this year.[/color]

So my response to Joseph’s comment is…

Darn, was hoping it would be earlier. We have a person here (a TPTB)  
who is really pushing to have us move to exchange because he wants it  
for outlook, etc.

So far we’ve been able to stave it off, mainly due to new licensing  
cost for exchange vs maint on Groupwise. That might not be enough, and  
especially if office365 licensing gives email access for only a few  
dollars more per user than just office.

–  
Stevo