# M$ SCOM and SCCM - alternative **URL:** \ **Category:** Chatting over the Back Fence\ **Created:** [May 9, 2016, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/m-scom-and-sccm-alternative/28148 "2016-05-09T14:46:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![thsundel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/13edae/32.png) [@thsundel](https://forums.suse.com/u/thsundel)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/m-scom-and-sccm-alternative/28148/1 "2016-05-09T14:46:01Z")
sharfuddin;2428195 Wrote:[color=blue] > Hello Guys, > my customer is a Microsoft shop and using SCOM and SCCM which they want > to replace with any better and cost-effective alternative. > > Please advice.[/color] ZENworks? Thomas ## – thsundel thsundel’s Profile: [https://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=128](https://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=128) View this thread: [https://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=498236](https://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=498236) ---
**Author:** ![sharfuddin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@sharfuddin](https://forums.suse.com/u/sharfuddin)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/m-scom-and-sccm-alternative/28148/2 "2016-05-09T14:46:01Z")
Hello Guys, my customer is a Microsoft shop and using SCOM and SCCM which they want to replace with any better and cost-effective alternative. Please advice. ## – sharfuddin sharfuddin’s Profile: [https://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=63087](https://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=63087) View this thread: [https://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=498236](https://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=498236) ---
**Author:** ![kgroneman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f1d935/32.png) [@kgroneman](https://forums.suse.com/u/kgroneman)\ **Post date:** [May 9, 2016, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/m-scom-and-sccm-alternative/28148/3 "2016-05-09T16:44:04Z")
ZENworks Configuration Management: [https://www.novell.com/products/zenworks/configurationmanagement/](https://www.novell.com/products/zenworks/configurationmanagement/) – Kim - 5/9/2016 7:43:52 AM ---
**Author:** ![sharfuddin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e274bd/32.png) [@sharfuddin](https://forums.suse.com/u/sharfuddin)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/m-scom-and-sccm-alternative/28148/4 "2016-05-10T11:06:01Z")
ZCM can do the SCCM part but what about SCOM which does the Monitoring like HW Utilization and Reports and Services Monitoring and Status info etc. ## – sharfuddin sharfuddin’s Profile: [https://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=63087](https://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=63087) View this thread: [https://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=498236](https://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=498236) ---
**Author:** ![thsundel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/13edae/32.png) [@thsundel](https://forums.suse.com/u/thsundel)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 11:26am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/m-scom-and-sccm-alternative/28148/5 "2016-05-10T11:26:01Z")
sharfuddin;2428263 Wrote:[color=blue] > ZCM can do the SCCM part but what about SCOM which does the Monitoring > like HW Utilization and Reports and Services Monitoring and Status info > etc. > > SCCM does the patch management for Windows Boxes too, so I believe > ZENworks Patch Management would be required.[/color] You have several quite good open source alternatives for HW/SW monitoring and reporting, incinga, nagios, zenoss etc… Thomas ## – thsundel thsundel’s Profile: [https://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=128](https://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=128) View this thread: [https://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=498236](https://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=498236) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/m-scom-and-sccm-alternative/28148/6 "2016-05-10T12:19:03Z")
On 10/05/2016 09:26, thsundel wrote:[color=blue] > sharfuddin;2428263 Wrote:[color=green] > > > ZCM can do the SCCM part but what about SCOM which does the Monitoring > > like HW Utilization and Reports and Services Monitoring and Status info > > etc. > > > > SCCM does the patch management for Windows Boxes too, so I believe > > ZENworks Patch Management would be required.[/color] > > You have several quite good open source alternatives for HW/SW > monitoring and reporting, incinga, nagios, zenoss etc…[/color] For all solutions, the question usually isn’t cost, it is availability of modules to monitor your kit - with netware nagios and its family have a bit of an advantage (last I looked, SCOM was abusing the nagios client code to avoid having to write their own monitor for that) - and SCOM modules tend to be expensive and limited (their SNMP configuration is a nightmare as it relies on importing the mibs to the underlying windows os on each node, and password storage completely changed between 2007 and 2012 breaking all existing code) although that’s possibly improved in scom 2016. The configuration mode (scan/detect rather than manual config) has both benefits and limitations too. Nagios tends to have some commercial-branch issues - if you go the community release, it seems a bunch of the features are deliberately reserved for customers, and the entire dev team has been booted twice over that (not to mention the whole community plugin site being ripped off by the vendor, which caused a major rift between the community and the vendor at the time) Icinga (and other nagios-based spinoffs) seem to at least patch some of the more annoying bugs with nagios (and Icinga 1.x is a good drop-in replacement for nagios core, with some caveats) but as with nagios, you will _need_ to be a decent script writer as the out of the box monitors tend to be a bit crude and limited; we had to write our own a _lot_ for stuff that wasn’t basic MS boxes (netapp aggregates+volumes for example, cisco config change monitoring (especially for ASAs with multiple contexts), panzura, even MS SQL instances (which you would think would be supported out-of-the-box) and WMI (which I “borrowed” the wmic build from zenoss for). history data is a bit crude, tends to be stored in individual RRDs, and dashboards tend to be third party/afterthoughts rather than integrated in. That said, we have retained Icinga for our airgapped customers (who can’t use the cloud solution we moved to as, well, airgapped) and after a couple of _years_ coding and tweaking, it works well and reliably. A lot of the graphing stuff you would expect to get from a decent monitoring solution though just doesn’t exist, so we have to collect data _twice_ (using cacti as the second collector) to get port saturation, link usage (with percentile) and so forth. We _could_ have eventually coded that stuff into Icinga ourselves, but the keyword there is “eventually”. ---
**Author:** ![AndersG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@AndersG](https://forums.suse.com/u/AndersG)\ **Post date:** [May 10, 2016, 12:49pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/m-scom-and-sccm-alternative/28148/7 "2016-05-10T12:49:34Z")
Thsundel,[color=blue] > ZENworks?[/color] +1 – Anders Gustafsson (NKP) The Aaland Islands (N60 E20) Have an idea for a product enhancement? Please visit: [https://www.novell.com/products/enhancement-request.html](https://www.novell.com/products/enhancement-request.html)