# Mac Mini **URL:** \ **Category:** Chatting over the Back Fence\ **Created:** [October 16, 2012, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/mac-mini/23203 "2012-10-16T01:50:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![System1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/51bf81/32.png) [@System1](https://forums.suse.com/u/System1)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/mac-mini/23203/1 "2012-10-16T01:50:15Z")
Hi, Ok. So my wife has been wanting a Mac. Her old Suse box was getting too old. A friend was selling his Core Duo 1.8 for not too much so I thought I would do both of them a favor and get it for her. He is happy and after I replaced the hard drive with an SSD and installed Snow Leopard she is happy. The 1.8 would drive me nuts with it’s slowness but she is tickled pink. If mama is happy … Unless I need to ramble some more here is a question. I’m assuming there is remote control. What are you happy with? VNC? TeamViewer? RDP? …? Thanks Bob C. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 3:09am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/mac-mini/23203/2 "2012-10-16T03:09:47Z")
I’ve always been happy with VNC. Chicken Of The Sea (or Turkey, or Shrimp, or some such animal) I believe is the name of the freeware version for the MAC. IT Depts’ of several schools I know of swear by it. Bob On 10/15/2012 6:50 PM, Bob Crandell wrote:[color=blue] > Hi, > > Ok. So my wife has been wanting a Mac. Her old Suse box was getting too > old. A friend was selling his Core Duo 1.8 for not too much so I thought > I would do both of them a favor and get it for her. He is happy and > after I replaced the hard drive with an SSD and installed Snow Leopard > she is happy. > > The 1.8 would drive me nuts with it’s slowness but she is tickled pink. > If mama is happy … > > Unless I need to ramble some more here is a question. I’m assuming there > is remote control. What are you happy with? VNC? TeamViewer? RDP? …? > > Thanks > Bob C. > [/color] ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/mac-mini/23203/3 "2012-10-16T04:24:47Z")
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Yeah, Mac’s have VNC for remote control, but it’s famously terrible when it comes to the connection breaking and not being recoverable (at all) until you restart the VNC service. Luckily, Macs are \*nix so you can SSH in and restart that service, but that’s not always a fun thing to do randomly, and sometimes frequently. Google for more on the issue; I found a ton two years ago, including how to restart the VNC service as a result of the problem. Good luck. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - [http://www.enigmail.net/](http://www.enigmail.net/) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQfLdeAAoJEF+XTK08PnB54cwP/0hqXKLCN7wUBAVeYALTWJo5 lPRFsDMgNnbe7QSPZhte/Ie6mRmb7X2rKS153Vib+gqmSpxAntD+FnDo+fsezNnk wtBuUT8iOwWv8Ungk/T0mNJtW8EOsbjDekMhBAl06KQiEosnSbhYlui2Ritn+yd6 otAD1Tw/Dosz6bxZ9YsmnAYhF2aC+DI1XE7L1iMKH93WOGArK2cOG2K9kbwogWxN 9GslAdPViM3C9J6v/DfF3alSNcmtOgD2qIycEh9CwFXOeVdLqgnon9fRTPlZ3fyl Qd97eixlgNwADiBTQsU323uw09amm8qfHg2HKM90qNpCl00mV7PitA7787f+w//N +YmlyjKzscN4EOEtYVxS83Wu+y3hSrjggaEztl+ZCf5NjpKA+vytgGVaM5bD6dZ4 N6gg1qV6D4KRo2SF3vMMfYtSkTqO5/zHY5DVEMqa8Fto20f5It+1S49NkJOdfWXd x0It0PtnYnDV41SLOyLVH/WEJ13HDOkeHYmUhjErA1CSThoW4T5ysIfZLmganStl URe8OZFPl+B9XooXJCj9P6Ogu/kP4+HeDnlsrrSmqTVoARTufJlAR9qhWUYUgx80 BK+YUB/b9d8tEu9xWgqlVG+OW6XjMJGJ1mG2dBYhHx7V1Fp64lGNVC18DRQxtexG bpq5H0cyFz+c/ROrpHA5 =C02y -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 6:10am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/mac-mini/23203/4 "2012-10-16T06:10:34Z")
Bob Crandell wrote: [color=blue] > I’m assuming > there is remote control. What are you happy with?[/color] ZENworks Configuration Management 11.2 – Does this washcloth smell like chloroform? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/mac-mini/23203/5 "2012-10-16T17:39:19Z")
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:10:34 +0000, Joseph Marton wrote: [color=blue] > Bob Crandell wrote: > [color=green] > > > I’m assuming > > there is remote control. What are you happy with?[/color] > > ZENworks Configuration Management 11.2[/color] This is not a support forum. You need to post this at: novell.support.zenworks.configuration-management.11.remote-management Thank you for your understanding. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/mac-mini/23203/6 "2012-10-16T17:42:40Z")
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 01:24:47 +0000, ab wrote: [color=blue] > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Yeah, Mac’s have VNC for remote control, but it’s famously terrible when > it comes to the connection breaking and not being recoverable (at all) > until you restart the VNC service. Luckily, Macs are \*nix so you can > SSH in and restart that service, but that’s not always a fun thing to do > randomly, and sometimes frequently. Google for more on the issue; I > found a ton two years ago, including how to restart the VNC service as a > result of the problem. > > Good luck.[/color] > I had heard that. I tried to set it up for a client so he could work > remotely. He had those problems you mentioned plus it was REALLY slow. > He ended up using RDP to connect to his Windows computer. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/mac-mini/23203/7 "2012-10-16T18:59:30Z")
On 16/10/2012 15:39, Bob Crandell wrote: [color=blue] > This is not a support forum. You need to post this at: > novell.support.zenworks.configuration-management.11.remote-management > > Thank you for your understanding.[/color] ## ROTFL! Simon Novell/SUSE/NetIQ Knowledge Partner * * * ## Do you work with Novell technologies at a university, college or school? If so, your campus could benefit from joining the Novell Technology Transfer Partner (TTP) program. See [novell.com/ttp](http://novell.com/ttp) for more details. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2012, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/mac-mini/23203/8 "2012-10-16T19:08:14Z")
On 16/10/2012 02:24, ab wrote: [color=blue] > Yeah, Mac’s have VNC for remote control, but it’s famously terrible when > it comes to the connection breaking and not being recoverable (at all) > until you restart the VNC service. Luckily, Macs are \*nix so you can > SSH in and restart that service, but that’s not always a fun thing to do > randomly, and sometimes frequently. Google for more on the issue; I > found a ton two years ago, including how to restart the VNC service as a > result of the problem.[/color] Macs (no apostrophe) have VNC functionality built-in but it needs enabling (see Sharing preferences pane - Screen Sharing service). The problem is with OS X Lion (and Mountain Lion afterwards) it’s a bit like MS Terminal Services in that it doesn’t connect to the active user’s desktop but rather prompts for a log in. Your best bet for VNC is to install a third-party VNC server on the Mac - I’ve used Vine VNC Server available from [http://www.testplant.com/support/downloads/vine/](http://www.testplant.com/support/downloads/vine/) (it’s also what Novell recommend in their ZENworks 11.2 docs … after I recommended it to them!) Not that I’m providing support … well not Novell support anyway! ## HTH. Simon Novell/SUSE/NetIQ Knowledge Partner * * * ## Do you work with Novell technologies at a university, college or school? If so, your campus could benefit from joining the Novell Technology Transfer Partner (TTP) program. See [novell.com/ttp](http://novell.com/ttp) for more details. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 12:57am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/mac-mini/23203/9 "2012-10-17T00:57:55Z")
On Tue, 16 Oct 2012 00:09:47 +0000, Bob wrote: [color=blue] > I’ve always been happy with VNC. Chicken Of The Sea (or Turkey, or > Shrimp, or some such animal) I believe is the name of the freeware > version for the MAC. > > IT Depts’ of several schools I know of swear by it.[/color] Be careful with VNC - its transport is not encrypted, and its password scheme is trivially hacked. Jim – Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10 Novell Knowledge Partner ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2012, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/mac-mini/23203/10 "2012-10-17T20:30:22Z")
> Be careful with VNC - its transport is not encrypted, and its password[color=blue] > scheme is trivially hacked.[/color] tunnel it through SSH ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2012, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/mac-mini/23203/11 "2012-10-18T02:24:10Z")
On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 17:30:22 +0000, GofBorg wrote: [color=blue][color=green] > > Be careful with VNC - its transport is not encrypted, and its password > > scheme is trivially hacked.[/color] > > tunnel it through SSH[/color] Which is what I do (that constitutes “being careful with VNC”). But it requires more work and setup than just installing the VNC server and using the client. Jim – Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10 Novell Knowledge Partner ---
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Jim Henderson,[color=blue] > Which is what I do (that constitutes “being careful with VNC”). But it > requires more work and setup than just installing the VNC server and > using the client.[/color] Precisely and I find that so many people run just plain vanilla VNC (or RDP) for that matter, without even knowing how insecure it is. Thus was Jim entirely in the right pointing that out. – Anders Gustafsson (NKP) The Aaland Islands (N60 E20) Have an idea for a product enhancement? Please visit: [http://www.novell.com/rms](http://www.novell.com/rms) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2012, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/mac-mini/23203/13 "2012-10-18T20:25:17Z")
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 05:11:41 +0000, Anders Gustafsson wrote: [color=blue] > Jim Henderson,[color=green] > > > Which is what I do (that constitutes “being careful with VNC”). But it > > requires more work and setup than just installing the VNC server and > > using the client.[/color] > > Precisely and I find that so many people run just plain vanilla VNC (or > RDP) for that matter, without even knowing how insecure it is. Thus was > Jim entirely in the right pointing that out.[/color] I don’t access it from the outside at all. It’s for when she doesn’t know how to do something and I’m too lazy to walk into the other room. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2012, 8:26pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/mac-mini/23203/14 "2012-10-18T20:26:04Z")
On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 17:25:17 +0000, Bob Crandell wrote: [color=blue] > On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 05:11:41 +0000, Anders Gustafsson wrote: > [/color] > [color=blue] > > I don’t access it from the outside at all. It’s for when she doesn’t > know how to do something and I’m too lazy to walk into the other room.[/color] Oh and Vine works great. ---
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> I don’t access it from the outside at all. It’s for when she doesn’t[color=blue] > know how to do something and I’m too lazy to walk into the other room.[/color] > Nice ---
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> But it[color=blue] > requires more work and setup than just installing the VNC server and > using the client.[/color] Oh absolutely. We do not have SSH/VNC/RDP access at all into the office. It would be nice on occasion but auditors have such a cow over it that it’s not worth the effort. Once every 10 years or so we set it up for contractors but it is keyed to their individual IP and it gets taken down on completion of the project. Internally in the past I have used VNC for desktop support but not so much anymore. I need the exercise so walking to an office is beneficial. : ) ---
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 05:11:41 +0000, Anders Gustafsson wrote: [color=blue] > Jim Henderson,[color=green] > > > Which is what I do (that constitutes “being careful with VNC”). But it > > requires more work and setup than just installing the VNC server and > > using the client.[/color] > > Precisely and I find that so many people run just plain vanilla VNC (or > RDP) for that matter, without even knowing how insecure it is. Thus was > Jim entirely in the right pointing that out.[/color] RDP is somewhat better with the more current version; I learned the VNC lesson the hard way - I had my mother’s PC set up with it open on the 'net, and she called me one day wanting to know why her Solitaire game solved itself. m-/ Jim – Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10 Novell Knowledge Partner ---
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2012 18:44:10 +0000, GofBorg wrote: [color=blue][color=green] > > But it > > requires more work and setup than just installing the VNC server and > > using the client.[/color] > > Oh absolutely. We do not have SSH/VNC/RDP access at all into the office. > It would be nice on occasion but auditors have such a cow over it that > it’s not worth the effort. Once every 10 years or so we set it up for > contractors but it is keyed to their individual IP and it gets taken > down on completion of the project. Internally in the past I have used > VNC for desktop support but not so much anymore. I need the exercise so > walking to an office is beneficial. : )[/color] Yeah, I also tend to use VNC of some form inside my own network at home - I’ve got OpenVPN set up for access from outside, and WPA2 on the wifi, but I still tunnel over SSH when I’m feeling too lazy to get up and walk around my desk to look at something on my wife’s laptop. I even use it over SSH from my phone - Wyse’s VNC application (free version) allows one connection, so using SSH to tunnel is handy - I only need one connection when it’s localhost:10 and the same VNC password regardless of the host. 🙂 Combine that with ssh pubkey authentication per host and only allowing localhost to connect to the VNC server, makes for a very good solution. Jim – Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10 Novell Knowledge Partner ---
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I have been using logmein free (from [logmein.com](http://logmein.com)) for the past year or two and it has worked very reliably. It is trivial to setup and is secure without needing to hack about with SSH etc. ## – -----x==—x===----- I used to be an eagle… ashmoore’s Profile: [http://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=8630](http://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=8630) View this thread: [http://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=460729](http://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=460729) ---
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Simon Flood wrote: [color=blue] > The problem is with OS X Lion (and Mountain Lion afterwards) it’s a bit like > MS Terminal Services in that it doesn’t connect to the active user’s desktop > but rather prompts for a log in.[/color] Of course though, Mac\>Mac you can just use Screen Sharing and be done. – Danita Novell Knowledge Partner write like a pro - [http://www.writingwithdanita.com/](http://www.writingwithdanita.com/) [Next page](https://forums.suse.com/t/mac-mini/23203.md?page=2)