# Need backup advise fast **URL:** \ **Category:** Chatting over the Back Fence\ **Created:** [March 22, 2013, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/need-backup-advise-fast/23764 "2013-03-22T13:54:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![System1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/51bf81/32.png) [@System1](https://forums.suse.com/u/System1)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/need-backup-advise-fast/23764/1 "2013-03-22T13:54:23Z")
Hi all: Our backup system consists of ARCserve 11.5 for Linux dumping to an Overland Neo2000 library. We backup approx 600 to 800 GB in a full backup across about 10 servers, a mixture of OES nad Windows 2008. Just last week the latest Apache update to our OES2 SP3 backup server killed ARCserve. CA now does not support ARCserve for Linux. I have not been able to successfully reinstall ARCserve as it needs Tomcat4 I have a few options. The first is to stick with CA and move over to a Windows server. We can still read our old tapes but I see ARCserve for Windows does not support eDirectory or GroupWise. The second option is to go with another vendor that runs on OES and supports eDirectory, GroupWise etc, like Arkeia. So, all advise is welcome. Thanks, Chris. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/need-backup-advise-fast/23764/2 "2013-03-22T14:26:24Z")
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 11:54:23 GMT, Chris \ wrote: [color=blue] > Hi all: Our backup system consists of ARCserve 11.5 for Linux dumping to an Overland Neo2000 library. We backup approx 600 to 800 GB in a full backup across about 10 servers, a mixture of OES nad Windows 2008. > > Just last week the latest Apache update to our OES2 SP3 backup server killed ARCserve. CA now does not support ARCserve for Linux. I have not been able to successfully reinstall ARCserve as it needs Tomcat4 > > I have a few options. The first is to stick with CA and move over to a Windows server. We can still read our old tapes but I see ARCserve for Windows does not support eDirectory or GroupWise. The second option is to go with another vendor that runs on OES and supports eDirectory, GroupWise etc, like Arkeia. > > So, all advise is welcome. Thanks, Chris.[/color] Not sure what advice you are after…but I run Arkeia and I really like it. I used to run Backup Exec and it is a major improvement. I think Arkeia would be worth checking into. Ken ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/need-backup-advise-fast/23764/3 "2013-03-22T15:53:41Z")
Chris sounds like they ‘said’: [color=blue] > Hi all: Our backup system consists of ARCserve 11.5 for Linux > dumping to an Overland Neo2000 library. We backup approx 600 to 800 > GB in a full backup across about 10 servers, a mixture of OES nad > Windows 2008. > > Just last week the latest Apache update to our OES2 SP3 backup server > killed ARCserve. CA now does not support ARCserve for Linux. I have > not been able to successfully reinstall ARCserve as it needs Tomcat4 > > I have a few options. The first is to stick with CA and move over to > a Windows server. We can still read our old tapes but I see ARCserve > for Windows does not support eDirectory or GroupWise. The second > option is to go with another vendor that runs on OES and supports > eDirectory, GroupWise etc, like Arkeia. > > So, all advise is welcome. Thanks, Chris.[/color] So my response to Chris’s comment is… We run backupexec here, seems to work ok for us. They still have an issue somewhat with OES11, but that’s supposedly resolved in the next sp release, but we’ve been waiting on that for 6 months. Their last release took a step backwards IMO where they went to a backup job per server instead of a single job for multiple servers. Supposedly that’s going away in the next release as well. – Stevo ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/need-backup-advise-fast/23764/4 "2013-03-22T16:54:48Z")
I know a lot of pros, especially SLES/OES/eDir folks, who love SEP Sesam. Seems to pack a lot of power into a great, easy-to-use (for simple things at least) interface. I had never heard about them until others shared, so I’m passing it along. Good luck. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/need-backup-advise-fast/23764/5 "2013-03-22T17:11:51Z")
Arkeia is right at the top of the list. I would love it if it could read our old ARCserve tapes - I have no idea how well (or if) backup systems can read other vendor data. Arkeia also has the widest agent list. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/need-backup-advise-fast/23764/6 "2013-03-22T17:42:46Z")
The problem with Linux as a backup platform has always been problematic. Backup requires stability of the underlying stack which has always been a bit of a moving target. There have been many diatribes over the years on this very issue. If it were me I would relicense the backup server for Windows and you can still leverage all of your client license investment rather than chucking it all out and relearning the ecentricities of whatever solution you replace it with. No affiliation or fanboyism for CA, but rather the old ‘The Devil you know, versus the one you don’t’. I just finished upgrading our CA based system. There are many improvements and CA seems to be getting back to ArcServe’s roots which is a good thing. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/need-backup-advise-fast/23764/7 "2013-03-22T18:09:12Z")
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:11:51 GMT, Chris \ wrote: [color=blue] > Arkeia is right at the top of the list. I would love it if it could read our old ARCserve tapes - I have no idea how well (or if) backup systems can read other vendor data. Arkeia also has the widest agent list.[/color] I’m backing up 3 servers to an LTO5 tape drive - about 1.2 TB. Backups are fast. The interface is clean and easy to understand. Just blows away the old Backup Exec I was using. Upgrades are easy to do. Although I did have a little gotcha when I went from 9 to 10. The tape definition for LTO5 tapes changed and I had to manually edit some files (one for each tape I have). ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 6:15pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/need-backup-advise-fast/23764/8 "2013-03-22T18:15:14Z")
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 15:42:46 GMT, GofBorg [GofBorg@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org](mailto:GofBorg@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org) wrote: [color=blue] > The problem with Linux as a backup platform has always been problematic. > Backup requires stability of the underlying stack which has always been a > bit of a moving target. There have been many diatribes over the years on > this very issue. If it were me I would relicense the backup server for > Windows and you can still leverage all of your client license investment > rather than chucking it all out and relearning the ecentricities > of whatever solution you replace it with. No affiliation or fanboyism for > CA, but rather the old ‘The Devil you know, versus the one you don’t’. > I just finished upgrading our CA based system. There are many improvements > and CA seems to be getting back to ArcServe’s roots which is a good thing.[/color] Arkeia on OES 11 runs just fine. I’ve been running it for about a year without issues. They have a SLES version, but they also have an OES specific version. Ken ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/need-backup-advise-fast/23764/9 "2013-03-22T18:38:36Z")
Can Arkeia do disk-2-disk-tape? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/need-backup-advise-fast/23764/10 "2013-03-22T18:54:06Z")
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 16:38:36 GMT, Chris \ wrote: [color=blue] > Can Arkeia do disk-2-disk-tape?[/color] Not sure…you will have to check with them. But I am doing that in my own way. I have a server across a WAN link that I rsync with a server in my main office and then back that one up to tape using Arkeia. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/need-backup-advise-fast/23764/11 "2013-03-22T20:43:26Z")
Good points. I just hate moving more stuff over to the dark side. So are you able to do hot-backups of GroupWise and eDirectory using ARCserve for Windows? As far as I can tell they no longer have agents for those apps. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2013, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/need-backup-advise-fast/23764/12 "2013-03-22T21:43:11Z")
One last question. Can Arkeia be used in conjuction with anti-virus software to scan for malware as they are being written to tape? We use Kaspersky. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 6:26am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/need-backup-advise-fast/23764/13 "2013-03-25T06:26:02Z")
if it were me in your situation i’d be going with SEP sesam, it will do live backup of edir / groupwise and is capable of using the TSA agents as well for groupwise / nss / edir runs really nicely on a linux box too personally I would avoid arcserve like one would avoid bubonic plague… ## – gleach1 gleach1’s Profile: [http://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=934](http://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=934) View this thread: [http://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=465188](http://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=465188) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2013, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/need-backup-advise-fast/23764/14 "2013-03-25T13:44:13Z")
On Fri, 22 Mar 2013 19:43:11 GMT, Chris \ wrote: [color=blue] > One last question. Can Arkeia be used in conjuction with anti-virus software to scan for malware as they are being written to tape? We use Kaspersky.[/color] Sorry…don’t know. Probably ought to direct your questions to Arkeia. They are very helpful. Ken ---
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Gleach1,[color=blue] > personally I would avoid arcserve like one would avoid bubonic > plague…[/color] We run ArcServe and I agree 🙂 – Anders Gustafsson (NKP) The Aaland Islands (N60 E20) Have an idea for a product enhancement? Please visit: [http://www.novell.com/rms](http://www.novell.com/rms) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2013, 5:17pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/need-backup-advise-fast/23764/16 "2013-03-26T17:17:14Z")
> Good points. I just hate moving more stuff over to the dark side.[color=blue] > > So are you able to do hot-backups of GroupWise and eDirectory using > ARCserve for Windows? As far as I can tell they no longer have agents for > those apps.[/color] Well, we still have our original Netware client agent from AS9 which still works with the latest 11.5. Groupwise, not sure don’t use it but I wouldn’t see why it wouldn’t work. Our server is NW 6.5 OES. Contact CA surely they can guide you a bit. It may be that they officially unofficially support both. As far as the server being Windows or Linux it doesn’t matter to the CA clients. ---
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> > personally I would avoid arcserve like one would avoid bubonic[color=blue][color=green] > > plague…[/color] > > We run ArcServe and I agree :)[/color] If it wasn’t for their innane licensing system which frankly doesn’t work it would be decent software. They need to bin their licensing system, it’s just outright broken and has been since 1998. ---
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GofBorg,[color=blue] > If it wasn’t for their innane licensing system which frankly doesn’t > work it would be decent software.[/color] Sure, we run the Linux version of AS 11 and they unfortunately chose not to develop that one further. – Anders Gustafsson (NKP) The Aaland Islands (N60 E20) Have an idea for a product enhancement? Please visit: [http://www.novell.com/rms](http://www.novell.com/rms) ---
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