# Old school basic netware question **URL:** \ **Category:** Chatting over the Back Fence\ **Created:** [February 20, 2013, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-school-basic-netware-question/23652 "2013-02-20T20:20:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![System1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/51bf81/32.png) [@System1](https://forums.suse.com/u/System1)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-school-basic-netware-question/23652/1 "2013-02-20T20:20:43Z")
This is something I have always wondered about. When a person deletes a file it is available in salvage. When a folder is deleted everything is lost and you have to go to tape. True or False? I’ve never been able to recover a deleted folder and its contents, just me? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-school-basic-netware-question/23652/2 "2013-02-20T20:31:42Z")
GofBorg, [color=blue] > This is something I have always wondered about. > > When a person deletes a file it is available in salvage. > When a folder is deleted everything is lost and you have > to go to tape. > > True or False? I’ve never been able to recover a deleted > folder and its contents, just me? > > [/color] > If I remember correctly, Salvage can recover files from deleted folders, > but not the deleted folders themselves. I’m gonna stop now, before I get scolded for answering a support question. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-school-basic-netware-question/23652/3 "2013-02-20T20:34:52Z")
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:20:43 +0000, GofBorg wrote: [color=blue] > This is something I have always wondered about. > > When a person deletes a file it is available in salvage. > When a folder is deleted everything is lost and you have to go to tape. > > True or False? I’ve never been able to recover a deleted folder and its > contents, just me?[/color] The contents could be recovered from DELETED.SAV, but the directory couldn’t without restoring from backup. Jim – Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10 Novell Knowledge Partner ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-school-basic-netware-question/23652/4 "2013-02-20T21:40:13Z")
On 2/20/2013 12:34 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=blue] > On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:20:43 +0000, GofBorg wrote: > [color=green] > > > This is something I have always wondered about. > > > > When a person deletes a file it is available in salvage. > > When a folder is deleted everything is lost and you have to go to tape. > > > > True or False? I’ve never been able to recover a deleted folder and its > > contents, just me?[/color] > > The contents could be recovered from DELETED.SAV, but the directory > couldn’t without restoring from backup. > [/color] It can on NSS. H. ---
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Yes you can. Just tried it on our NW 6.5 sp8 server running BorderManager. Copied a folder with 100’s of files. Deleted the folder (copy). Went into salvage and salvaged the folder (copy). Now the folder will be empty BUT you can run salvage again against the “salvaged folder”. Doing so I recovered all files. [color=blue][color=green][color=darkred] > > > GofBorg[GofBorg@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org](mailto:GofBorg@no-mx.forums.opensuse.org) 2/20/2013 1:20 PM \>\>\> > > > [/color][/color][/color] > > > This is something I have always wondered about. When a person deletes a file it is available in salvage. When a folder is deleted everything is lost and you have to go to tape. True or False? I’ve never been able to recover a deleted folder and its contents, just me? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2013, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-school-basic-netware-question/23652/6 "2013-02-20T22:27:28Z")
> It can on NSS. Yep. You are right. Must’ve snuck in on me as I was thinking along Jim’s lines. Does appear to work on this server, but it is hard to distinguish between what might be a directory versus a file. ---
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> Yes you can. Just tried it on our NW 6.5 sp8 server running[color=blue] > BorderManager. Copied a folder with 100’s of files. Deleted the folder > (copy). Went into salvage and salvaged the folder (copy). Now the folder > will be empty BUT you can run salvage again against the “salvaged folder”. > Doing so I recovered all files.[/color] Got it. Thanks for the reply. ---
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[color=blue] > If I remember correctly, Salvage can recover files from deleted folders, > but not the deleted folders themselves.[/color] > That’s how I remembered it as well, although apparently untrue if using NSS. > [color=blue] > I’m gonna stop now, before I get scolded for answering a support > question. :-)[/color] As it’s a defunct product, not sure if it’s still illegal talk. If it is… nothing to see here, move along. ---
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On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 19:40:13 +0000, Haitch wrote: [color=blue] > On 2/20/2013 12:34 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:[color=green] > > > On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:20:43 +0000, GofBorg wrote: > > [color=darkred] > > > > > This is something I have always wondered about. > > > > > > When a person deletes a file it is available in salvage. > > > When a folder is deleted everything is lost and you have to go to > > > tape. > > > > > > True or False? I’ve never been able to recover a deleted folder and > > > its contents, just me?[/color] > > > > The contents could be recovered from DELETED.SAV, but the directory > > couldn’t without restoring from backup. > > > > [/color] > > It can on NSS. > > H.[/color] Ah, that’s new. I wasn’t aware of that. The last time I dealt with deleted files the server was 3.11 - but it was within the past couple of years, helping out a relative of a former boss of mine. 🙂 Jim – Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10 Novell Knowledge Partner ---
**Author:** ![Hspeirs](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/df705f/32.png) [@Hspeirs](https://forums.suse.com/u/Hspeirs)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2013, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-school-basic-netware-question/23652/10 "2013-02-21T02:38:19Z")
[color=blue][color=green] > > It can on NSS. > > > > H.[/color] > > Ah, that’s new. I wasn’t aware of that. The last time I dealt with > deleted files the server was 3.11 - but it was within the past couple of > years, helping out a relative of a former boss of mine. 🙂 > [/color] I’d be pressed to remember how to work on a 3.x server … 😉 H. ---
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On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 00:38:19 +0000, Haitch wrote: [color=blue][color=green][color=darkred] > > > It can on NSS. > > > > > > H.[/color] > > > > Ah, that’s new. I wasn’t aware of that. The last time I dealt with > > deleted files the server was 3.11 - but it was within the past couple > > of years, helping out a relative of a former boss of mine. 🙂 > > > > [/color] > > I’d be pressed to remember how to work on a 3.x server … ;-)[/color] I was pretty hard pressed, too - fortunately, I found I still had media available at the time, so I was able to set one up to try to remember. I also still have a copy of ODRN, which really surprised me (especially when the diskette was still readable). Jim – Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10 Novell Knowledge Partner ---
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In article [gH8Vs.3974$vO3.2820@kovat.provo.novell.com](mailto:gH8Vs.3974$vO3.2820@kovat.provo.novell.com), hendersj@no- [mx.forums.novell.com](http://mx.forums.novell.com) wrote…[color=blue] > The contents could be recovered from DELETED.SAV, but the directory > couldn’t without restoring from backup.[/color] Did you forget about the NLM I sent you? It not only recovered deleted files but also walked the deleted directory structure and recovered it. I wrote it for a client who lost an entire disk with 1000’s of directories and over 500K of deleted files (IIRC). They spent a day recovering files manually (a couple hundred directories and a few thousand file) until I could get them the NLM which restored the rest in 20 minutes or so. Steve ---
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 20:39:36 +0000, Steve Meyer wrote: [color=blue] > In article [gH8Vs.3974$vO3.2820@kovat.provo.novell.com](mailto:gH8Vs.3974$vO3.2820@kovat.provo.novell.com), hendersj@no- > [mx.forums.novell.com](http://mx.forums.novell.com) wrote…[color=green] > > > The contents could be recovered from DELETED.SAV, but the directory > > couldn’t without restoring from backup.[/color] > > Did you forget about the NLM I sent you? It not only recovered deleted > files but also walked the deleted directory structure and recovered it.[/color] Oh, yes, I do remember that. 🙂 I was thinking about the standard behaviour, but yes, that did help for the case I was looking for (sadly, it looked like most of the files that were missing ended up purged.) ## Jim Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10 Novell Knowledge Partner ---
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GofBorg;2247986 Wrote:[color=blue][color=green] > > Yes you can. Just tried it on our NW 6.5 sp8 server running > > BorderManager. Copied a folder with 100’s of files. Deleted the[/color] > > folder[color=green] > > (copy). Went into salvage and salvaged the folder (copy). Now the[/color] > > folder[color=green] > > will be empty BUT you can run salvage again against the “salvaged[/color] > > folder”.[color=green] > > Doing so I recovered all files.[/color] > > Got it. Thanks for the reply.[/color] That’s correct, it isn’t recursive. Which can be a pain if you have a big folder structure deleted. Fortunately there is a tool called Salvage98 (google it) which gives you a nice GUI and will recursively salvage files/folders and their contents. 🆒 ## – JAMES GOSLING ‘[www.jamesgosling.com](http://www.jamesgosling.com)’ ([http://www.jamesgosling.com](http://www.jamesgosling.com)) ‘[www.novellblog.com](http://www.novellblog.com)’ ([http://www.novellblog.com](http://www.novellblog.com)) jamesgosling’s Profile: [http://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=9688](http://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=9688) View this thread: [http://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=464295](http://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=464295) ---
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> [color=blue] > 🆒[/color] Very cool, still works under Win8. 🙂