# Old Story...
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**Category:** Chatting over the Back Fence
**Created:** [January 9, 2018, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-story/30730 "2018-01-09T11:04:01Z")
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### Author:  [@ScorpionSting](https://forums.suse.com/u/ScorpionSting)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2018, 11:04am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-story/30730/1 "2018-01-09T11:04:01Z")
…but a goodie
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### Author:  [@kgroneman](https://forums.suse.com/u/kgroneman)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2018, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-story/30730/2 "2018-01-09T17:25:30Z")
I joined Novell in 1991. It was a fun ride for the most part. Time moves on
and things change. Novell. CompuServe, Compaq. WordPerfect. Radio Shack.
Circuit City, Blockbuster, Polaroid, [Buy.com](http://Buy.com), Standard Oil, Woolworths,
MySpace, Napster. 🙂
–
Kim - 1/9/2018 8:14:45 AM
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### Author:  [@Jim1](https://forums.suse.com/u/Jim1)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2018, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-story/30730/3 "2018-01-09T18:46:28Z")
On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 15:25:30 +0000, kgroneman wrote:
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> I joined Novell in 1991. It was a fun ride for the most part. Time
> moves on and things change. Novell. CompuServe, Compaq. WordPerfect.
> Radio Shack. Circuit City, Blockbuster, Polaroid, [Buy.com](http://Buy.com), Standard Oil,
> Woolworths, MySpace, Napster. :-)[/color]
Woolworths is still around, at least in Australia. 🙂
–
Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10
Novell/SUSE/NetIQ Knowledge Partner
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### Author:  [@ScorpionSting](https://forums.suse.com/u/ScorpionSting)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2018, 10:06pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-story/30730/4 "2018-01-09T22:06:02Z")
…and they’re still in NZ
I joined Novell in 2005 and we shortly had about 15 employees in
NZ…then within 3 years, it’d been whittled down to 2, ready for “the
big sell”…that still took forever to come
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [January 12, 2018, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-story/30730/5 "2018-01-12T02:50:29Z")
My MCNI/MCNE # was 5000000. I still use it as a password on occasion.
With my degrees and advanced degrees in engineering, I still get upset
when marketing and political forces trump quality. Even though I’m
retired and shouldn’t be thinking of such things, I still do.
Bob
On 1/9/2018 3:06 PM, ScorpionSting wrote:[color=blue]
> …and they’re still in NZ
>
> I joined Novell in 2005 and we shortly had about 15 employees in
> NZ…then within 3 years, it’d been whittled down to 2, ready for “the
> big sell”…that still took forever to come
>
> [/color]
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [January 13, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-story/30730/6 "2018-01-13T17:14:02Z")
cool story bro
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [January 16, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-story/30730/7 "2018-01-16T22:41:32Z")
Bob,
[color=blue]
> My MCNI/MCNE # was 5000000. I still use it as a password on occasion.
> With my degrees and advanced degrees in engineering, I still get upset
> when marketing and political forces trump quality. Even though I’m
> retired and shouldn’t be thinking of such things, I still do.
> [/color]
I was in consulting in the early oughts, working for a company that did
it all – Unix, NetWare, Windows, even Banyan Vines. It was a point of
pride that we would work with what the customer had, instead of telling
them what they should be using. That changed when a company exec told
us in an all-hands meeting “Our three most important partners are
Microsoft, Microsoft, and Microsoft!” The firm became essentially a MS
storefront and didn’t last long after that.
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### Author:  [@kgroneman](https://forums.suse.com/u/kgroneman)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2018, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-story/30730/8 "2018-01-17T16:53:25Z")
Hey Doug:
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> Banyan Vines.[/color]
I haven’t heard that name in years.
–
Kim - 1/17/2018 7:52:35 AM
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [January 17, 2018, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-story/30730/9 "2018-01-17T19:11:09Z")
Kim,
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> > Banyan Vines.[/color]
>
> I haven’t heard that name in years.
> [/color]
We ran Vines and BeyondMail until 1998 or thereabouts. Hard to believe,
huh?
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [January 18, 2018, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-story/30730/10 "2018-01-18T00:00:31Z")
The US Air Force was running Vines into the '90s and then switched to
MS. MS lobbied hard with the promo that MS had government security
certification. Powers-to-be in the Air Force bought it. What MS didn’t
reveal was that Windows only had Orange Book certification not Red Book
certification. Orange Book certification means there is security in the
product only if it is stand-alone, not connected to anything. Red Book
certification means the product has security when it is connected to a
network. NetWare had a Red Book certification but there was not a peep
out of Novell. I felt so helpless.
On 1/17/2018 12:11 PM, Doug wrote:[color=blue]
> Kim,
> [color=green][color=darkred]
>
> > > Banyan Vines.[/color]
> >
> > I haven’t heard that name in years.
> > [/color]
>
> We ran Vines and BeyondMail until 1998 or thereabouts. Hard to believe,
> huh?
>
> [/color]
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### Author:  [@ScorpionSting](https://forums.suse.com/u/ScorpionSting)
#### Post date: [January 18, 2018, 4:56am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-story/30730/11 "2018-01-18T04:56:01Z")
Basically same story today… MS are/have been in spinning their
typical white lies about how “wonderful”, “secure”, and “simple” office
is… Micro Focus are no where to be seen…
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### Author:  [@Jim1](https://forums.suse.com/u/Jim1)
#### Post date: [January 19, 2018, 2:59am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-story/30730/12 "2018-01-19T02:59:48Z")
On Wed, 17 Jan 2018 14:53:25 +0000, kgroneman wrote:
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> Hey Doug:
> [color=green]
>
> > Banyan Vines.[/color]
>
> I haven’t heard that name in years.[/color]
LANTastic! 😃
I once set up one of those for a nonprofit. But I never actually played
with Vines.
–
Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10
Novell/SUSE/NetIQ Knowledge Partner
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [January 31, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-story/30730/13 "2018-01-31T23:09:54Z")
I started using NetWare 2.15 in 1988/89 and went all the way to NetWare
6.5 in Jan. 2014 when the last one (for LDAP) was shutdown. LDAP was
replaced by Oracle’s LDAP product and File/Print was replaced a year
before with M$.
Jan. 2014 was a sad day. My NetWare/eDir LDAP server had been used
since July 2001.
My first NetWare 2.15 network was Token Ring.
On 01/09/2018 10:25 AM, kgroneman wrote:[color=blue]
> I joined Novell in 1991. It was a fun ride for the most part. Time moves on
> and things change. Novell. CompuServe, Compaq. WordPerfect. Radio Shack.
> Circuit City, Blockbuster, Polaroid, [Buy.com](http://Buy.com), Standard Oil, Woolworths,
> MySpace, Napster. 🙂
> [/color]
–
tBM
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### Author:  [@kgroneman](https://forums.suse.com/u/kgroneman)
#### Post date: [January 31, 2018, 11:58pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-story/30730/14 "2018-01-31T23:58:03Z")
Hey tBM:
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> My first NetWare 2.15 network was Token Ring.[/color]
The worst part about token ring jokes is that if someone starts telling one
while you are telling yours, all joking stops.
–
Kim - 1/31/2018 2:57:49 PM
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### Author:  [@Jim1](https://forums.suse.com/u/Jim1)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2018, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-story/30730/15 "2018-02-01T00:13:40Z")
On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 21:58:03 +0000, kgroneman wrote:
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> Hey tBM:
> [color=green]
>
> > My first NetWare 2.15 network was Token Ring.[/color]
>
> The worst part about token ring jokes is that if someone starts telling
> one while you are telling yours, all joking stops.[/color]
When it comes to humour, you’re always a beacon of hope. 😉
–
Jim Henderson, CNA6, CDE, CNI, LPIC-1, CLA10, CLP10
Novell/SUSE/NetIQ Knowledge Partner
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### Author:  [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)
#### Post date: [February 1, 2018, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-story/30730/16 "2018-02-01T17:18:37Z")
On 31/01/2018 21:58, kgroneman wrote:[color=blue]
> Hey tBM:
> [color=green]
>
> > My first NetWare 2.15 network was Token Ring.[/color]
>
> The worst part about token ring jokes is that if someone starts telling one
> while you are telling yours, all joking stops.[/color]
Their fault for not waiting their turn then. At least it isn’t as bad as
Ethernet jokes of the era, where you had to wait until it went quiet and
shout your joke before anyone else could 🙂
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### Author:  [@ScorpionSting](https://forums.suse.com/u/ScorpionSting)
#### Post date: [February 9, 2018, 12:04am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-story/30730/17 "2018-02-09T00:04:01Z")
Dug this out today…
6100
6101
6102
Good ol’ ConslowOne
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### Author:  [@ScorpionSting](https://forums.suse.com/u/ScorpionSting)
#### Post date: [February 9, 2018, 12:54am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/old-story/30730/18 "2018-02-09T00:54:01Z")
I love some of the old product blurbs…back then compared to now…not
too dissimilar…
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