# Rancher helm vs. vanilla helm **URL:** \ **Category:** SUSE Rancher Prime\ **Created:** [August 30, 2018, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/rancher-helm-vs-vanilla-helm/11643 "2018-08-30T07:09:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Askannon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f0a364/32.png) [@Askannon](https://forums.suse.com/u/Askannon)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/rancher-helm-vs-vanilla-helm/11643/1 "2018-08-30T07:09:26Z")
I tried to find documentation on the differences between the rancher built-in helm and the vanilla one that I can install with helm init. It would be great if there was at least a little bit of documentation answering the following questions: - what version of helm is built-in? - is there a way to use the build-in helm via any kind of cli? - will the build-in helm honor “helm.sh” annotations and execute hooks accordingly? - can we install vanilla helm side by side the built-in one without causing issues? - what is the recommendation: install helm charts via the rancher UI or via vanilla helm? Pretty sure most people working with helm charts have these questions. Apart from that Rancher 2 is great! Thanks, Thorsten ---
**Author:** ![KAmerad\_KAmerad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/d9b06d/32.png) [@KAmerad\_KAmerad](https://forums.suse.com/u/KAmerad_KAmerad)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2018, 9:01am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/rancher-helm-vs-vanilla-helm/11643/2 "2018-09-05T09:01:48Z")
How to use helm in rancher 2.0? ---
**Author:** ![localhost](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/53a042/32.png) [@localhost](https://forums.suse.com/u/localhost)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/rancher-helm-vs-vanilla-helm/11643/3 "2018-09-06T15:17:23Z")
I don’t think Rancher bundles `helm` itself, I think it parses the helm charts and does its thing on its own.