# \ **URL:** \ **Category:** Chatting over the Back Fence\ **Created:** [June 21, 2017, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961 "2017-06-21T20:54:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![System1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/51bf81/32.png) [@System1](https://forums.suse.com/u/System1)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2017, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961/1 "2017-06-21T20:54:25Z")
Sad times here, for me anyway. Our migration from Groupwise to office 365 email is done. In the next few days, our eDirectory tree, which has been in production for over 20 years, will be no more… ☹ – Steve ---
**Author:** ![AndersG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@AndersG](https://forums.suse.com/u/AndersG)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961/2 "2017-06-22T12:50:35Z")
You have my condoleances… – Anders Gustafsson (NKP) The Aaland Islands (N60 E20) Have an idea for a product enhancement? Please visit: [https://www.novell.com/products/enhancement-request.html](https://www.novell.com/products/enhancement-request.html) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 4:41pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961/3 "2017-06-22T16:41:37Z")
Anders Gustafsson sounds like they ‘said’: [color=blue] > You have my condoleances…[/color] So my response to Anders’s comment is… Thanks. Only positive is if a user can’t get to email, but can get on the web, I get to say “I can’t help you, call micro$oft” – Steve ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961/4 "2017-06-22T16:46:00Z")
asd23, [color=blue] > Sad times here, for me anyway. Our migration from Groupwise to office > 365 email is done. > > In the next few days, our eDirectory tree, which has been in production > for over 20 years, will be no more… ☹ > [/color] ☹ ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 5:54pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961/5 "2017-06-22T17:54:42Z")
Black, Douglas sounds like they ‘said’: [color=blue] > :([/color] So my response to Black’s comment is… Yeah, I’m quite bummed about the whole thing. – Steve ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961/6 "2017-06-22T20:31:21Z")
asd23, [color=blue][color=green] > > :([/color] > > So my response to Black’s comment is… > > Yeah, I’m quite bummed about the whole thing. > [/color] I’m lucky – since we use IDM here, I still get to administer eDirectory on our vault servers. It’s a tiny part of my job, though. Everything else has gone to the dark side. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961/7 "2017-06-22T21:05:08Z")
Black, Douglas sounds like they ‘said’: [color=blue] > I’m lucky – since we use IDM here, I still get to administer > eDirectory on our vault servers. It’s a tiny part of my job, though. > Everything else has gone to the dark side.[/color] So my response to Black’s comment is… The email portion was the last bit holding on here, and it was decided (by 3 people, not TPTB or anything) that we should move to this cloud based email… – Steve ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961/8 "2017-06-26T19:27:10Z")
Oh, how sad! ☹ – Susan Micro Focus Community Chat Moderator Please read the following before posting in here: [http://preview.tinyurl.com/27zopdy](http://preview.tinyurl.com/27zopdy) * * * This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. [http://www.avg.com](http://www.avg.com) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2017, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961/9 "2017-06-26T20:03:09Z")
Susan sounds like they ‘said’: [color=blue] > Oh, how sad! :([/color] So my response to Susan’s comment is… I know. I shut the last 2 sles boxes down friday afternoong, haven’t had the heart to delete them yet. 😢 – Steve ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961/10 "2017-06-27T20:05:19Z")
When you do delete them, after you do it, take yourself out for a nice lunch or dinner. You fought the good fight for as long as you could. – Susan Micro Focus Community Chat Moderator Please read the following before posting in here: [http://preview.tinyurl.com/27zopdy](http://preview.tinyurl.com/27zopdy) * * * This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. [http://www.avg.com](http://www.avg.com) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961/11 "2017-06-27T20:08:12Z")
Susan sounds like they ‘said’: [color=blue] > When you do delete them, after you do it, take yourself out for a > nice lunch or dinner. You fought the good fight for as long as you > could.[/color] So my response to Susan’s comment is… I will, thanks. We had an after work get together to commemerate the email migration getting finished. It was almost like a wake for me, felt like ‘celebrating’ an employee being let go after over 20 years of service. – Steve ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 1:17am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961/12 "2017-06-28T01:17:50Z")
I know. You’re not the only one who has gone through that situation and those feelings, sadly. – Susan Micro Focus Community Chat Moderator Please read the following before posting in here: [http://preview.tinyurl.com/27zopdy](http://preview.tinyurl.com/27zopdy) * * * This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. [http://www.avg.com](http://www.avg.com) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 1:42am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961/13 "2017-06-28T01:42:54Z")
Susan sounds like they ‘said’: [color=blue] > I know. You’re not the only one who has gone through that situation > and those feelings, sadly.[/color] So my response to Susan’s comment is… “But we’re saving money”… – Steve ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961/14 "2017-06-28T21:16:49Z")
asd23, [color=blue][color=green] > > When you do delete them, after you do it, take yourself out for a > > nice lunch or dinner. You fought the good fight for as long as you > > could.[/color] > > So my response to Susan’s comment is… > > I will, thanks. We had an after work get together to commemerate the > email migration getting finished. It was almost like a wake for me, > felt like ‘celebrating’ an employee being let go after over 20 years of > service. > [/color] I felt the same way when I retired our last NetWare server. It had been up continuously for 1967 days, or not quite 5.5 years. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 10:48pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961/15 "2017-06-28T22:48:41Z")
Black, Douglas sounds like they ‘said’: [color=blue] > I felt the same way when I retired our last NetWare server. It had > been up continuously for 1967 days, or not quite 5.5 years.[/color] So my response to Black’s comment is… I felt bad when retiring _our_ last Netware server too, didn’t have anywhere near your uptime though. We were on OES linux for several years after Netware. – Steve ---
**Author:** ![ScorpionSting](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ba9def/32.png) [@ScorpionSting](https://forums.suse.com/u/ScorpionSting)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 12:54am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961/16 "2017-06-29T00:54:02Z")
The good old days: [https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/intel-server-uptime.jpg](https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/intel-server-uptime.jpg) ## – -“Also now available in ‘G+’ ([http://plus.google.com/+BenWalter-Kiwi](http://plus.google.com/+BenWalter-Kiwi)) and ‘Website’ ([https://www.isam.kiwi/](https://www.isam.kiwi/)) format”.- 😉 ScorpionSting’s Profile: [https://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=1663](https://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=1663) View this thread: [https://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=504195](https://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=504195) ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 1:22am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961/17 "2017-06-29T01:22:46Z")
ScorpionSting sounds like they ‘said’: [color=blue] > The good old days: > > [/color] > [https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/intel-server-uptime.jpg](https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/intel-server-uptime.jpg) So my response to ScorpionSting’s comment is… Over 16.5 years…nice!! – Steve ---
**Author:** ![kgroneman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f1d935/32.png) [@kgroneman](https://forums.suse.com/u/kgroneman)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961/18 "2017-06-29T19:28:01Z")
I remember seeing that one before. Sweet! How do you think NetWare was essentially put out to pasture? My initial thoughs were that it was so rock solid that people didn’t upgrade. They were satisfied with what they had. Novell business selling NetWare was declining. But then why weren’t we selling more NetWare to new customers if it was so good? Even now we have more OES Linux customers than OES NetWare customers. – Kim - 6/29/2017 10:22:45 AM ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2017, 10:17pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961/19 "2017-06-29T22:17:44Z")
kgroneman, [color=blue] > I remember seeing that one before. Sweet! > > How do you think NetWare was essentially put out to pasture? My initial > thoughs were that it was so rock solid that people didn’t upgrade. They were > satisfied with what they had. Novell business selling NetWare was declining. > But then why weren’t we selling more NetWare to new customers if it was so > good? Even now we have more OES Linux customers than OES NetWare customers. > [/color] My guess is that it was tough to market such a specialized OS. NetWare did file & print serving better than anything else out there, but it didn’t do much else. Windows does file & print (it inhales vigorously for those services, but it does do them), and it runs all the other apps businesses need. Just my $0.02 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2017, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961/20 "2017-06-30T13:36:52Z")
Am 29.06.2017 um 21:17 schrieb Black, Douglas:[color=blue] > kgroneman, > > My guess is that it was tough to market such a specialized OS. NetWare > did file & print serving better than anything else out there, but it > didn’t do much else. Windows does file & print (it inhales vigorously > for those services, but it does do them), and it runs all the other apps > businesses need. > > Just my $0.02[/color] Netware didn’t only do File & Print. It also ran email, Firewalls, was a brilliant routing engine, Internet Proxy, and ran the by far most rock solid scalable and feature rich directory of all times. And last but not least, it’s manageability and ease of use was and still is completely unmatched. So that’s not it. Quite the opposite. Novell singlehandedly destroyed it themselfs by trying to make it _also_ be an application server for anything else, doing so halfheartedly and using the wrong tools. Java on Netware anyone? While at the same time letting all the things it did so much better than anything else on the market get stale and also eventually instable. And then they made several really big mistakes in the transistion to OES Linux, most of all that they replaced absolutely perfect services on Netware (SLP, CIFS, DHCP and some more) with their open source counterparts on linux, which turned out to be infintely worse both in terms of features, standards, stability and scalability. Then, they made many of their own core services dependant on notoriously instable and timebombed by design (certificates, anyone?) ldap service instead of NCP, singlehandedly destroying one of the biggest pros of eDirectory in one swing. Compared to NCP, ldap is a bad featurelss joke of a protocol, their insistance to use it everywher ewithout any valid reason is beyond words. And with OES Linux they also mostly destroyed one of the biggest pros of Netware: It’s almost complete independence of local configuration. With Linux (like with windows), basically everything is server centric, and replacing one is a nightmare, whereas Netware for the most part was local server agnostic, and disaster recovery or just migration to new hardware was as easy as it possibly could be. Over time they corrected a few of those mistakes, but too little, too late. ## CU, Massimo Rosen Micro Focus Knowledge Partner No emails please! [http://www.cfc-it.de](http://www.cfc-it.de) [Next page](https://forums.suse.com/t/taps/29961.md?page=2)