# Windows 8 RANT!!!!!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Chatting over the Back Fence\ **Created:** [June 28, 2012, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/windows-8-rant/22793 "2012-06-28T16:33:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![System1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/51bf81/32.png) [@System1](https://forums.suse.com/u/System1)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/windows-8-rant/22793/1 "2012-06-28T16:33:29Z")
It haz ben @#$%ing years since I posted a RANT… But I was using Windows 8 for 5 @#$%ing minz adn it made me MAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDD… Why? WHEREZ the STart Button!!! SRsly? Why did yoo take away the START buttOn? WHY? Plus the interface is HORRID. It made me regergitate my lunch. SRSLy. I will stay on Winsose 7 or maybe move to SLES. M$ shot dem selfs in the foot. AUUUGGGGHHHH… I want to rage on something… Wehre’s the puppy? Microsoft Killed Windose. I will blame Felton. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/windows-8-rant/22793/2 "2012-06-28T17:06:01Z")
I read where they will put the start button back in the final release. Hope this helps 🙂 ## – kbannister kbannister’s Profile: [http://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=5375](http://forums.novell.com/member.php?userid=5375) View this thread: [http://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=457373](http://forums.novell.com/showthread.php?t=457373) ---
**Author:** ![kgroneman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f1d935/32.png) [@kgroneman](https://forums.suse.com/u/kgroneman)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2012, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/windows-8-rant/22793/3 "2012-06-28T22:56:27Z")
Windows 3.1 - Good Win 95 - Junk Win 98 - Good Win Me - Junk XP - Good Vista - Junk Win 7 - Good Win 8 - (are you seeing a trend?) – Kim - 6/28/2012 1:54:26 PM ---
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On 6/28/2012 3:56 PM, kgroneman wrote:\> Windows 3.1 - Good[color=blue] > Win 95 - Junk > Win 98 - Good > Win Me - Junk > XP - Good > Vista - Junk > Win 7 - Good > Win 8 - (are you seeing a trend?) > [/color] > Exactly, even though you forgot WinNT in there and Win2k :-p ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 12:56am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/windows-8-rant/22793/5 "2012-06-29T00:56:29Z")
Win 95 - Good Win 98 - Good Win Me - Junk —NEW LINE— WindowsNT - Junk Windows 2000 - Good XP - Good Vista - Junk Win 7 - Good Win 8 - ??? (good?) Fixed… But the pattern works out to be: good, good, junk. Either the pattern isn’t working, its meaningless or windows 8 might work out. I’ll ponder this over a frosty beverage. wait, no I won’t bother. Also, my worthless opinion is that Metro doesn’t belong on a desktop. On 6/28/2012 3:10 PM, JayZie wrote:[color=blue] > Exactly, even though you forgot WinNT in there and Win2k :-p > [/color] ---
**Author:** ![nop1983](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/e19adc/32.png) [@nop1983](https://forums.suse.com/u/nop1983)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/windows-8-rant/22793/6 "2012-06-29T09:05:22Z")
kgroneman wrote: [color=blue] > Windows 3.1 - Good > Win 95 - Junk > Win 98 - Good > Win Me - Junk > XP - Good > Vista - Junk > Win 7 - Good > Win 8 - (are you seeing a trend?)[/color] I see it… 😉 ## – Niels Poulsen Novell Knowledge Partner * * * A TRUE RED DEVIL ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/windows-8-rant/22793/7 "2012-06-29T15:42:34Z")
On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:56:29 GMT, unsigned [unsigned@digerati.us](mailto:unsigned@digerati.us) wrote: [color=blue] > Win 95 - Good > Win 98 - Good > Win Me - Junk > > —NEW LINE— > > WindowsNT - Junk > Windows 2000 - Good > XP - Good > Vista - Junk > Win 7 - Good > Win 8 - ??? (good?) > > Fixed… But the pattern works out to be: good, good, junk. > Either the pattern isn’t working, its meaningless or windows 8 might > work out. I’ll ponder this over a frosty beverage.[/color] At our company we looked at both Win95 and WinNT as a replacement for DOS/Win31. Win95 gave us all kinds of problems. WinNT was the clear winner. We only used Win95 for laptops because we couldn’t run NT on them. So I would rate them. Win95 - Junk WinNT - Good But that just further messes with the pattern. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 3:52pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/windows-8-rant/22793/8 "2012-06-29T15:52:12Z")
The primary reason folks say “Junk” is when a major change happens until folks adjust. Also sometimes it takes Software/Hardware Driver folks time to catch up. So the 1st year of a significantly new OS can lead to issues until nearly everyone updates for the new OS. For Example - I still have Vista on regular laptop. I have Win7 Licenses where I could upgrade, but I 100% forget it’s not Windows 7 in daily use. I’ve never had to reinstall but if I do I will put Win7 on it. WinMe is likely the only failure and i’m not sure if it was technical as much as Windows 2000 was just so much better and ppl were ready to make the jump to the new OS Model. On 6/29/2012 8:42 AM, KeN Etter wrote:[color=blue] > On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:56:29 GMT, unsigned[unsigned@digerati.us](mailto:unsigned@digerati.us) > wrote: > [color=green] > > > Win 95 - Good > > Win 98 - Good > > Win Me - Junk > > > > —NEW LINE— > > > > WindowsNT - Junk > > Windows 2000 - Good > > XP - Good > > Vista - Junk > > Win 7 - Good > > Win 8 - ??? (good?) > > > > Fixed… But the pattern works out to be: good, good, junk. > > Either the pattern isn’t working, its meaningless or windows 8 might > > work out. I’ll ponder this over a frosty beverage.[/color] > > At our company we looked at both Win95 and WinNT as a replacement for > DOS/Win31. Win95 gave us all kinds of problems. WinNT was the clear > winner. We only used Win95 for laptops because we couldn’t run NT on > them. So I would rate them. > > Win95 - Junk > WinNT - Good > > But that just further messes with the pattern. :-)[/color] – Craig Wilson - MCNE, MCSE, CCNA Novell Knowledge Partner Novell does not officially monitor these forums. Suggestions/Opinions/Statements made by me are solely my own. These thoughts may not be shared by either Novell or any rational human. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex022/uploads/suse/original/2X/5/5012ba89e3ffb5220dac47d5ea0ba032e2fe1cb6.png) [@system](https://forums.suse.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/windows-8-rant/22793/9 "2012-06-29T16:18:31Z")
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:52:12 GMT, craig wilson [craig\_d\_wilson@yahoo.com](mailto:craig_d_wilson@yahoo.com) wrote: [color=blue] > The primary reason folks say “Junk” is when a major change happens until > folks adjust.[/color] In our case, Win95 wasn’t stable enough to run our CAD system. WinNT was rock solid. Our testing showed us that. [color=blue] > Also sometimes it takes Software/Hardware Driver folks time to catch up. > So the 1st year of a significantly new OS can lead to issues until > nearly everyone updates for the new OS.[/color] True. We still skipped Vista and in our case it was definitely the right choice. Mostly running Win7 here, but we still have a fair number on XP. Ken ---
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Everyone’s mileage varies a bit. I did a bunch of personal and super small business side work from late Win3.1 to the initial XP days. Sure 95 wasn’t perfect, but the changes were major and overall I believed it was a positive and forward moving experience. NT was the clear winner, but it was very slow and hardware and application support were well behind the lesser 95. They improved 95 and even 98 had major changes during its life cycle. I did have serious issues with ME and ended up steering folks to 2000 and 98… Vista was a big change too, but it was very clear it wasn’t optimized on release. Even the folklore out of MS on the development of Vista is best described as ‘train wreck.’ Does it mean Vista was really junk? As you pointed out, it can take time for adoption and Win7 is really just polished Vista. We still have vertical app vendors that don’t want to support anything post XP, let alone a 64-bit platform. Even though we have no plans for Win8, we have taken to telling the vendors the 3rd major release post-XP is coming and XP is being fully retired on our PCs. They didn’t jump on the Vista train, and sorta lost the way with 7. Hopefully programmer’s everywhere wake up a little and move forward just a byte. On 6/29/2012 7:52 AM, craig wilson wrote:[color=blue] > The primary reason folks say “Junk” is when a major change happens until > folks adjust. > > Also sometimes it takes Software/Hardware Driver folks time to catch up. > So the 1st year of a significantly new OS can lead to issues until > nearly everyone updates for the new OS. > > For Example - I still have Vista on regular laptop. > I have Win7 Licenses where I could upgrade, but I 100% forget it’s not > Windows 7 in daily use. I’ve never had to reinstall but if I do I will > put Win7 on it. > > WinMe is likely the only failure and i’m not sure if it was technical as > much as Windows 2000 was just so much better and ppl were ready to make > the jump to the new OS Model. > [/color] ---
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I read somewhere that Autodesk is planning to drop Vista support before they drop XP support. I thought that was interesting comment on Vista. 🙂 On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:24:38 GMT, unsigned [unsigned@digerati.us](mailto:unsigned@digerati.us) wrote: [color=blue] > Everyone’s mileage varies a bit. I did a bunch of personal and super > small business side work from late Win3.1 to the initial XP days. Sure > 95 wasn’t perfect, but the changes were major and overall I believed it > was a positive and forward moving experience. NT was the clear winner, > but it was very slow and hardware and application support were well > behind the lesser 95. They improved 95 and even 98 had major changes > during its life cycle. > > I did have serious issues with ME and ended up steering folks to 2000 > and 98… > > Vista was a big change too, but it was very clear it wasn’t optimized on > release. Even the folklore out of MS on the development of Vista is best > described as ‘train wreck.’ > > Does it mean Vista was really junk? As you pointed out, it can take time > for adoption and Win7 is really just polished Vista. > > We still have vertical app vendors that don’t want to support anything > post XP, let alone a 64-bit platform. Even though we have no plans for > Win8, we have taken to telling the vendors the 3rd major release post-XP > is coming and XP is being fully retired on our PCs. They didn’t jump on > the Vista train, and sorta lost the way with 7. Hopefully programmer’s > everywhere wake up a little and move forward just a byte. > > On 6/29/2012 7:52 AM, craig wilson wrote:[color=green] > > > The primary reason folks say “Junk” is when a major change happens until > > folks adjust. > > > > Also sometimes it takes Software/Hardware Driver folks time to catch up. > > So the 1st year of a significantly new OS can lead to issues until > > nearly everyone updates for the new OS. > > > > For Example - I still have Vista on regular laptop. > > I have Win7 Licenses where I could upgrade, but I 100% forget it’s not > > Windows 7 in daily use. I’ve never had to reinstall but if I do I will > > put Win7 on it. > > > > WinMe is likely the only failure and i’m not sure if it was technical as > > much as Windows 2000 was just so much better and ppl were ready to make > > the jump to the new OS Model. > > [/color][/color] ---
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We use Netmotion Mobility (great software BTW), their latest release has Win7, x86 and x64 and XP clients, but no Vista support. On 6/29/2012 9:21 AM, KeN Etter wrote:[color=blue] > I read somewhere that Autodesk is planning to drop Vista support > before they drop XP support. I thought that was interesting comment > on Vista. :-)[/color] ---
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RIP Windows Explorer. We now have File Explorer on Windows. ---
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Most likely more a comment on Market Share. Vista/Windows 7 start a new OS line. If a customer is on Vista, they can easily upgrade to Windows 7. The same cannot be said for XP to any other OS. Many software packages may still be stuck at XP. However, I would find it hard to imagine any that only support Vista but not Windows 7. On 6/29/2012 10:30 AM, unsigned wrote:[color=blue] > We use Netmotion Mobility (great software BTW), their latest release has > Win7, x86 and x64 and XP clients, but no Vista support. > > On 6/29/2012 9:21 AM, KeN Etter wrote:[color=green] > > > I read somewhere that Autodesk is planning to drop Vista support > > before they drop XP support. I thought that was interesting comment > > on Vista. :-)[/color][/color] – Craig Wilson - MCNE, MCSE, CCNA Novell Knowledge Partner Novell does not officially monitor these forums. Suggestions/Opinions/Statements made by me are solely my own. These thoughts may not be shared by either Novell or any rational human. ---
**Author:** ![kgroneman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f1d935/32.png) [@kgroneman](https://forums.suse.com/u/kgroneman)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/windows-8-rant/22793/15 "2012-06-29T19:49:02Z")
Hey craig wilson, [color=blue] > I still have Vista on regular laptop[/color] My wife’s laptop came with Vista. For some reason I had the hardest time getting networking to work on it. It had other issues I can’t remember right now, but when I finally put Win7 on it all those problems vanished. I’m very happy with Win7 for the most part. I guess my biggest complaint about it is that the few available desktop gadgets are lame 🙂 I want the same type of gadgets my phone has. – Kim - 6/29/2012 10:45:54 AM ---
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kgroneman wrote: [color=blue] > Windows 3.1 - Good[/color] That’s debatable. [color=blue] > Win 98 - Good > Win Me - Junk > XP - Good[/color] Where’s Windows 2000??? – Does this washcloth smell like chloroform? ---
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craig wilson wrote: [color=blue] > For Example - I still have Vista on regular laptop.[/color] That doesn’t mean Vista is good. 🙂 Vista in particular wasn’t just a “people have to get used to it” or “vendors have to update software” situation. It truly is junk. I remember my wife bought a new Dell laptop a few years ago that came with Vista preloaded. Not a super fast laptop, but it was decent, Core2 Duo processor of some sort and 2GB of RAM. Vista was a dog. On the flip side, I installed one of the Windows 7 betas on my old P4 that only had 1.5GB of RAM. I couldn’t believe how much faster it ran than my wife’s old laptop. Ultimately we blew her laptop away and installed XP–that took care of the problem. – Does this washcloth smell like chloroform? ---
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:56:27 GMT, “kgroneman” [kgroneman@novell.com](mailto:kgroneman@novell.com) wrote: [color=blue] > Windows 3.1 - Good > Win 95 - Junk > Win 98 - Good > Win Me - Junk > XP - Good > Vista - Junk > Win 7 - Good > Win 8 - (are you seeing a trend?)[/color] Y’re forgetting a few: Windows 1.01 Windows 2.03 Windows 2.10 Windows 2.11 Windows 3.0 Windows 3.1x Windows For Workgroups 3.1 Windows NT 3.1 Windows For Workgroups 3.11 Windows 3.2 Windows NT 3.5 Windows NT 3.51 Windows 95 Windows NT 4.0 Windows 98 Windows 98 SE Windows 2000 Windows Me Windows XP Windows XP x64 Edition Windows Server 2003 Windows Fundamentals Windows Vista Windows Home Server Windows Server 2008 Windows 7 & Windows Server 2008 R2 Windows Home Server 2011 Windows 8 ---
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Reinstalling Fresh Vista may have done it too :\> Windows 7 loads less services by default, but it’s a matter of choosing what you want running. Yes, XP takes less resources than Vista and Windows 7 though. And if you load Windows 3.1 on the Laptop, watch it REALLY fly. Type “Win” and its likely loaded in about 1-2 seconds. On 6/29/2012 2:28 PM, Joseph Marton wrote:[color=blue] > craig wilson wrote: > [color=green] > > > For Example - I still have Vista on regular laptop.[/color] > > That doesn’t mean Vista is good. 🙂 Vista in particular wasn’t just a > “people have to get used to it” or “vendors have to update software” > situation. It truly is junk. I remember my wife bought a new Dell > laptop a few years ago that came with Vista preloaded. Not a super > fast laptop, but it was decent, Core2 Duo processor of some sort and > 2GB of RAM. Vista was a dog. On the flip side, I installed one of the > Windows 7 betas on my old P4 that only had 1.5GB of RAM. I couldn’t > believe how much faster it ran than my wife’s old laptop. Ultimately > we blew her laptop away and installed XP–that took care of the problem. > [/color] – Craig Wilson - MCNE, MCSE, CCNA Novell Knowledge Partner Novell does not officially monitor these forums. Suggestions/Opinions/Statements made by me are solely my own. These thoughts may not be shared by either Novell or any rational human. ---
**Author:** ![kgroneman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f1d935/32.png) [@kgroneman](https://forums.suse.com/u/kgroneman)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2012, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.suse.com/t/windows-8-rant/22793/20 "2012-06-29T22:14:00Z")
Hey Joseph Marton, [color=blue] > fast laptop, but it was decent, Core2 Duo processor of some sort and > 2GB of RAM. Vista was a dog[/color] Oh yea, I remember what one of my issues with Vista was…brand new laptop, it would often just hang. – Kim - 6/29/2012 1:13:18 PM [Next page](https://forums.suse.com/t/windows-8-rant/22793.md?page=2)