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JayZie
28-Jun-2012, 14:33
It haz ben @#$%ing years since I posted a RANT... But I was using
Windows 8 for 5 @#$%ing minz adn it made me
MAAAAAAAAAAAAAADDDDDDDDDDDD......... Why? WHEREZ the STart
Button!?!!!!!!!! SRsly? Why did yoo take away the START buttOn? WHY?
Plus the interface is HORRID. It made me regergitate my lunch. SRSLy. I
will stay on Winsose 7 or maybe move to SLES. M$ shot dem selfs in the
foot. AUUUGGGGHHHH..... I want to rage on something... Wehre's the puppy?

Microsoft Killed Windose. I will blame Felton.

kbannister
28-Jun-2012, 15:06
I read where they will put the start button back in the final release.

Hope this helps :)


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kgroneman
28-Jun-2012, 20:56
Windows 3.1 - Good
Win 95 - Junk
Win 98 - Good
Win Me - Junk
XP - Good
Vista - Junk
Win 7 - Good
Win 8 - (are you seeing a trend?)

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JayZie
28-Jun-2012, 21:10
On 6/28/2012 3:56 PM, kgroneman wrote:> Windows 3.1 - Good
> Win 95 - Junk
> Win 98 - Good
> Win Me - Junk
> XP - Good
> Vista - Junk
> Win 7 - Good
> Win 8 - (are you seeing a trend?)
>
Exactly, even though you forgot WinNT in there and Win2k :-p

unsigned
28-Jun-2012, 22:56
Win 95 - Good
Win 98 - Good
Win Me - Junk

---NEW LINE---

WindowsNT - Junk
Windows 2000 - Good
XP - Good
Vista - Junk
Win 7 - Good
Win 8 - ????? (good?)


Fixed.... But the pattern works out to be: good, good, junk.
Either the pattern isn't working, its meaningless or windows 8 might
work out. I'll ponder this over a frosty beverage.

wait, no I won't bother.

Also, my worthless opinion is that Metro doesn't belong on a desktop.





On 6/28/2012 3:10 PM, JayZie wrote:
> Exactly, even though you forgot WinNT in there and Win2k :-p
>

nop1983
29-Jun-2012, 07:05
kgroneman wrote:

> Windows 3.1 - Good
> Win 95 - Junk
> Win 98 - Good
> Win Me - Junk
> XP - Good
> Vista - Junk
> Win 7 - Good
> Win 8 - (are you seeing a trend?)

I see it... ;)

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KeN Etter
29-Jun-2012, 13:42
On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:56:29 GMT, unsigned <unsigned@digerati.us>
wrote:

>Win 95 - Good
>Win 98 - Good
>Win Me - Junk
>
>---NEW LINE---
>
>WindowsNT - Junk
>Windows 2000 - Good
>XP - Good
>Vista - Junk
>Win 7 - Good
>Win 8 - ????? (good?)
>
>
>Fixed.... But the pattern works out to be: good, good, junk.
>Either the pattern isn't working, its meaningless or windows 8 might
>work out. I'll ponder this over a frosty beverage.

At our company we looked at both Win95 and WinNT as a replacement for
DOS/Win31. Win95 gave us all kinds of problems. WinNT was the clear
winner. We only used Win95 for laptops because we couldn't run NT on
them. So I would rate them.

Win95 - Junk
WinNT - Good

But that just further messes with the pattern. :-)

craig wilson
29-Jun-2012, 13:52
The primary reason folks say "Junk" is when a major change happens until
folks adjust.

Also sometimes it takes Software/Hardware Driver folks time to catch up.
So the 1st year of a significantly new OS can lead to issues until
nearly everyone updates for the new OS.

For Example - I still have Vista on regular laptop.
I have Win7 Licenses where I could upgrade, but I 100% forget it's not
Windows 7 in daily use. I've never had to reinstall but if I do I will
put Win7 on it.

WinMe is likely the only failure and i'm not sure if it was technical as
much as Windows 2000 was just so much better and ppl were ready to make
the jump to the new OS Model.

On 6/29/2012 8:42 AM, KeN Etter wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 21:56:29 GMT, unsigned<unsigned@digerati.us>
> wrote:
>
>> Win 95 - Good
>> Win 98 - Good
>> Win Me - Junk
>>
>> ---NEW LINE---
>>
>> WindowsNT - Junk
>> Windows 2000 - Good
>> XP - Good
>> Vista - Junk
>> Win 7 - Good
>> Win 8 - ????? (good?)
>>
>>
>> Fixed.... But the pattern works out to be: good, good, junk.
>> Either the pattern isn't working, its meaningless or windows 8 might
>> work out. I'll ponder this over a frosty beverage.
>
> At our company we looked at both Win95 and WinNT as a replacement for
> DOS/Win31. Win95 gave us all kinds of problems. WinNT was the clear
> winner. We only used Win95 for laptops because we couldn't run NT on
> them. So I would rate them.
>
> Win95 - Junk
> WinNT - Good
>
> But that just further messes with the pattern. :-)


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KeN Etter
29-Jun-2012, 14:18
On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 12:52:12 GMT, craig wilson
<craig_d_wilson@yahoo.com> wrote:

>The primary reason folks say "Junk" is when a major change happens until
>folks adjust.

In our case, Win95 wasn't stable enough to run our CAD system. WinNT
was rock solid. Our testing showed us that.

>Also sometimes it takes Software/Hardware Driver folks time to catch up.
>So the 1st year of a significantly new OS can lead to issues until
>nearly everyone updates for the new OS.

True. We still skipped Vista and in our case it was definitely the
right choice. Mostly running Win7 here, but we still have a fair
number on XP.

Ken

unsigned
29-Jun-2012, 14:24
Everyone's mileage varies a bit. I did a bunch of personal and super
small business side work from late Win3.1 to the initial XP days. Sure
95 wasn't perfect, but the changes were major and overall I believed it
was a positive and forward moving experience. NT was the clear winner,
but it was very slow and hardware and application support were well
behind the lesser 95. They improved 95 and even 98 had major changes
during its life cycle.

I did have serious issues with ME and ended up steering folks to 2000
and 98...

Vista was a big change too, but it was very clear it wasn't optimized on
release. Even the folklore out of MS on the development of Vista is best
described as 'train wreck.'

Does it mean Vista was really junk? As you pointed out, it can take time
for adoption and Win7 is really just polished Vista.

We still have vertical app vendors that don't want to support anything
post XP, let alone a 64-bit platform. Even though we have no plans for
Win8, we have taken to telling the vendors the 3rd major release post-XP
is coming and XP is being fully retired on our PCs. They didn't jump on
the Vista train, and sorta lost the way with 7. Hopefully programmer's
everywhere wake up a little and move forward just a byte.



On 6/29/2012 7:52 AM, craig wilson wrote:
> The primary reason folks say "Junk" is when a major change happens until
> folks adjust.
>
> Also sometimes it takes Software/Hardware Driver folks time to catch up.
> So the 1st year of a significantly new OS can lead to issues until
> nearly everyone updates for the new OS.
>
> For Example - I still have Vista on regular laptop.
> I have Win7 Licenses where I could upgrade, but I 100% forget it's not
> Windows 7 in daily use. I've never had to reinstall but if I do I will
> put Win7 on it.
>
> WinMe is likely the only failure and i'm not sure if it was technical as
> much as Windows 2000 was just so much better and ppl were ready to make
> the jump to the new OS Model.
>

KeN Etter
29-Jun-2012, 15:21
I read somewhere that Autodesk is planning to drop Vista support
before they drop XP support. I thought that was interesting comment
on Vista. :-)


On Fri, 29 Jun 2012 13:24:38 GMT, unsigned <unsigned@digerati.us>
wrote:

>Everyone's mileage varies a bit. I did a bunch of personal and super
>small business side work from late Win3.1 to the initial XP days. Sure
>95 wasn't perfect, but the changes were major and overall I believed it
>was a positive and forward moving experience. NT was the clear winner,
>but it was very slow and hardware and application support were well
>behind the lesser 95. They improved 95 and even 98 had major changes
>during its life cycle.
>
>I did have serious issues with ME and ended up steering folks to 2000
>and 98...
>
>Vista was a big change too, but it was very clear it wasn't optimized on
>release. Even the folklore out of MS on the development of Vista is best
>described as 'train wreck.'
>
>Does it mean Vista was really junk? As you pointed out, it can take time
>for adoption and Win7 is really just polished Vista.
>
>We still have vertical app vendors that don't want to support anything
>post XP, let alone a 64-bit platform. Even though we have no plans for
>Win8, we have taken to telling the vendors the 3rd major release post-XP
>is coming and XP is being fully retired on our PCs. They didn't jump on
>the Vista train, and sorta lost the way with 7. Hopefully programmer's
>everywhere wake up a little and move forward just a byte.
>
>
>
>On 6/29/2012 7:52 AM, craig wilson wrote:
>> The primary reason folks say "Junk" is when a major change happens until
>> folks adjust.
>>
>> Also sometimes it takes Software/Hardware Driver folks time to catch up.
>> So the 1st year of a significantly new OS can lead to issues until
>> nearly everyone updates for the new OS.
>>
>> For Example - I still have Vista on regular laptop.
>> I have Win7 Licenses where I could upgrade, but I 100% forget it's not
>> Windows 7 in daily use. I've never had to reinstall but if I do I will
>> put Win7 on it.
>>
>> WinMe is likely the only failure and i'm not sure if it was technical as
>> much as Windows 2000 was just so much better and ppl were ready to make
>> the jump to the new OS Model.
>>

unsigned
29-Jun-2012, 15:30
We use Netmotion Mobility (great software BTW), their latest release has
Win7, x86 and x64 and XP clients, but no Vista support.



On 6/29/2012 9:21 AM, KeN Etter wrote:
> I read somewhere that Autodesk is planning to drop Vista support
> before they drop XP support. I thought that was interesting comment
> on Vista. :-)

JayZie
29-Jun-2012, 16:02
RIP Windows Explorer. We now have File Explorer on Windows.

craig wilson
29-Jun-2012, 16:38
Most likely more a comment on Market Share.
Vista/Windows 7 start a new OS line.

If a customer is on Vista, they can easily upgrade to Windows 7.
The same cannot be said for XP to any other OS.

Many software packages may still be stuck at XP.
However, I would find it hard to imagine any that only support Vista but
not Windows 7.

On 6/29/2012 10:30 AM, unsigned wrote:
> We use Netmotion Mobility (great software BTW), their latest release has
> Win7, x86 and x64 and XP clients, but no Vista support.
>
>
>
> On 6/29/2012 9:21 AM, KeN Etter wrote:
>> I read somewhere that Autodesk is planning to drop Vista support
>> before they drop XP support. I thought that was interesting comment
>> on Vista. :-)


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kgroneman
29-Jun-2012, 17:49
Hey craig wilson,

>I still have Vista on regular laptop

My wife's laptop came with Vista. For some reason I had the hardest
time getting networking to work on it. It had other issues I can't
remember right now, but when I finally put Win7 on it all those
problems vanished. I'm very happy with Win7 for the most part. I
guess my biggest complaint about it is that the few available desktop
gadgets are lame :-) I want the same type of gadgets my phone has.

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Joseph Marton
29-Jun-2012, 19:24
kgroneman wrote:

> Windows 3.1 - Good

That's debatable.

> Win 98 - Good
> Win Me - Junk
> XP - Good

Where's Windows 2000???

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Joseph Marton
29-Jun-2012, 19:28
craig wilson wrote:

> For Example - I still have Vista on regular laptop.

That doesn't mean Vista is good. :-) Vista in particular wasn't just a
"people have to get used to it" or "vendors have to update software"
situation. It truly is junk. I remember my wife bought a new Dell
laptop a few years ago that came with Vista preloaded. Not a super
fast laptop, but it was decent, Core2 Duo processor of some sort and
2GB of RAM. Vista was a dog. On the flip side, I installed one of the
Windows 7 betas on my old P4 that only had 1.5GB of RAM. I couldn't
believe how much faster it ran than my wife's old laptop. Ultimately
we blew her laptop away and installed XP--that took care of the problem.

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Alex Warmerdam
29-Jun-2012, 19:29
On Thu, 28 Jun 2012 19:56:27 GMT, "kgroneman" <kgroneman@novell.com>
wrote:

> Windows 3.1 - Good
> Win 95 - Junk
> Win 98 - Good
> Win Me - Junk
> XP - Good
> Vista - Junk
> Win 7 - Good
> Win 8 - (are you seeing a trend?)

Y're forgetting a few:
Windows 1.01
Windows 2.03
Windows 2.10
Windows 2.11
Windows 3.0
Windows 3.1x
Windows For Workgroups 3.1
Windows NT 3.1
Windows For Workgroups 3.11
Windows 3.2
Windows NT 3.5
Windows NT 3.51
Windows 95
Windows NT 4.0
Windows 98
Windows 98 SE
Windows 2000
Windows Me
Windows XP
Windows XP x64 Edition
Windows Server 2003
Windows Fundamentals
Windows Vista
Windows Home Server
Windows Server 2008
Windows 7 & Windows Server 2008 R2
Windows Home Server 2011
Windows 8

craig wilson
29-Jun-2012, 19:46
Reinstalling Fresh Vista may have done it too :>

Windows 7 loads less services by default, but it's a matter of choosing
what you want running.

Yes, XP takes less resources than Vista and Windows 7 though.

And if you load Windows 3.1 on the Laptop, watch it REALLY fly.
Type "Win" and its likely loaded in about 1-2 seconds.

On 6/29/2012 2:28 PM, Joseph Marton wrote:
> craig wilson wrote:
>
>> For Example - I still have Vista on regular laptop.
>
> That doesn't mean Vista is good. :-) Vista in particular wasn't just a
> "people have to get used to it" or "vendors have to update software"
> situation. It truly is junk. I remember my wife bought a new Dell
> laptop a few years ago that came with Vista preloaded. Not a super
> fast laptop, but it was decent, Core2 Duo processor of some sort and
> 2GB of RAM. Vista was a dog. On the flip side, I installed one of the
> Windows 7 betas on my old P4 that only had 1.5GB of RAM. I couldn't
> believe how much faster it ran than my wife's old laptop. Ultimately
> we blew her laptop away and installed XP--that took care of the problem.
>


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kgroneman
29-Jun-2012, 20:14
Hey Joseph Marton,

>fast laptop, but it was decent, Core2 Duo processor of some sort and
>2GB of RAM. Vista was a dog

Oh yea, I remember what one of my issues with Vista was....brand new
laptop, it would often just hang.

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JayZie
29-Jun-2012, 21:04
On 6/29/2012 3:14 PM, kgroneman wrote:
> Oh yea, I remember what one of my issues with Vista was....brand new
> laptop, it would often just hang.

I bought a new desktop when Windows ME came out... I pressed the On
button... Compaq screen came on......

and then..........BSOD.

Reinstalled ME

and then.........

Booted

and then...........

BSOD.....

Went to Staples bought Windows 2000 Pro...........

and then..............

Machine worked like a Champ....

I still have that box in the attic.

Vista made me had dramatic flashbacks of said event.

Joseph Marton
29-Jun-2012, 21:59
craig wilson wrote:

> Reinstalling Fresh Vista may have done it too :>
>
> Windows 7 loads less services by default, but it's a matter of
> choosing what you want running.

Yes but I'm not even talking about just fresh Win7 vs loaded Vista. I
mean a Win7 install with plenty of apps was still significantly faster
than Vista, even though Win7 was running on older hardware with less
memory.

Vista is just a resource hog. Period.

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Joseph Marton
29-Jun-2012, 22:01
Alex Warmerdam wrote:

> Y're forgetting a few:
> Windows 95
> Windows 98
> Windows 98 SE

Well in that case... wasn't there

Windows 95
Windows 95 OSR B
Windows 95 OSR 2
Windows 95 OSR 2.5

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Massimo Rosen
03-Jul-2012, 17:20
On 29.06.2012 16:30, unsigned wrote:
> We use Netmotion Mobility (great software BTW), their latest release has
> Win7, x86 and x64 and XP clients, but no Vista support.

Not a big surprise, considering that Microsoft itself drops Vista
support before XP.

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unsigned
05-Jul-2012, 14:46
On 7/3/2012 11:20 AM, Massimo Rosen wrote:
> Not a big surprise, considering that Microsoft itself drops Vista
> support before XP.
>
> CU,


Not exactly.

Windows XP
Latest service pack: Service Pack 3
End of mainstream support: April 14, 2009
End of extended support: April 8, 2014

Windows Vista
Latest service pack: Service Pack 2
End of mainstream support: April 10, 2012
End of extended support: April 11, 2017

Windows 7
Latest service pack: Service Pack 1
End of mainstream support: January 12, 2015
End of extended support: January 14, 2020

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/products/lifecycle

Barry Schnur
06-Jul-2012, 06:45
Also consider:

The various SP's to products

NT 4.0 needed SP's to go from junk to good
XP -- same thing




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bpenris
18-Jul-2012, 10:46
Well, just to say 'a' Windows version is junk is not entirely true save
for Windows ME. All of the releases had it's charms. Allthough Windows
Vista is a resource hog and some components are a mayor source of
irritation, it did bring a lot of new technology to your desktop. The
problem with Vista is that it was released before it was done. That was
the problem with Windows XP as well imho. SP2 finally made it good.


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