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Arthur
19-Aug-2013, 15:51
Do you use an anti virus program on Windows 8 clients?

JayZie
19-Aug-2013, 16:25
On 8/19/2013 10:51 AM, Arthur wrote:
> Do you use an anti virus program on Windows 8 clients?
>

Yes... It is called Windows 7.... I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER
allow Windows 8 on my network.

Douglas Black
19-Aug-2013, 16:55
Arthur,

> Do you use an anti virus program on Windows 8 clients?
>

My new home PC came with Windows 8 and McAfee AV. I nuked "McCrappy"
and installed Microsoft Security Essentials or whatever they're calling
it now. It seems to work okay.

Jim Henderson
20-Aug-2013, 00:48
On Mon, 19 Aug 2013 15:55:32 +0000, Douglas Black wrote:

> Arthur,
>
>> Do you use an anti virus program on Windows 8 clients?
>>
>>
> My new home PC came with Windows 8 and McAfee AV. I nuked "McCrappy"
> and installed Microsoft Security Essentials or whatever they're calling
> it now. It seems to work okay.

That's what I use in my Win8 VM as well. Seems to do the job well enough
for my purposes. I have very little Windows on my home network, and that
VM is either behind a single or double NAT connection to the outside
world, so inbound attacks won't work against it very effectively.

Jim



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GofBorg
20-Aug-2013, 23:43
> Yes... It is called Windows 7.... I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER
> allow Windows 8 on my network.

Too bad. It's outstanding.

malcolmlewis
21-Aug-2013, 00:06
On Tue 20 Aug 2013 10:43:11 PM CDT, GofBorg wrote:


> Yes... It is called Windows 7.... I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER
> EVER allow Windows 8 on my network.

Too bad. It's outstanding.


Once I got past the freaky start screen to the desktop sure it's pretty
normal sans the start button and having to go to different corners of
the screen. Every now and again this system boots to it, then have to
run a shutdown (to not do the fast boot thing) so I can get to the UEFI
boot screen and kick grub2 into life.....

I did have some fun getting it to work on the second hard drive by
running the recovery partition from even another drive connected via
USB, but it came around and behaved it's self even after shrinking down
to 80GB....

I will wait until the 8.1 upgrade arrives and see how that goes.

The only thing I do object to is all the data it wants to shift out
onto the net, wasted bandwidth I found some places to disable, but why
enable by default, let the end user choose.....

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Bob Crandell
21-Aug-2013, 01:10
On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:43:11 +0000, GofBorg wrote:

>> Yes... It is called Windows 7.... I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER
>> EVER allow Windows 8 on my network.
>
> Too bad. It's outstanding.

Out standing where?

Bob
21-Aug-2013, 02:12
On 8/20/2013 8:10 PM, Bob Crandell wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:43:11 +0000, GofBorg wrote:
>
>>> Yes... It is called Windows 7.... I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER
>>> EVER allow Windows 8 on my network.
>>
>> Too bad. It's outstanding.
>
> Out standing where?
>
OMG... Please do not reference the "field". (sigh).

Joseph Marton
21-Aug-2013, 12:57
Bob Crandell wrote:

> Out standing where?

In a broken phone booth with money in its hand.

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Joseph Marton
21-Aug-2013, 12:58
GofBorg wrote:

> > Yes... It is called Windows 7.... I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER
> > EVER allow Windows 8 on my network.
>
> Too bad. It's outstanding.

Was yesterday opposite day?

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Dave Howe
21-Aug-2013, 14:05
On 21/08/2013 12:58, Joseph Marton wrote:
> GofBorg wrote:
>
>>> Yes... It is called Windows 7.... I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER
>>> EVER allow Windows 8 on my network.
>>
>> Too bad. It's outstanding.
>
> Was yesterday opposite day?

No, you just have to read carefully. Note he didn't say it was
outstandingly *good*....

It certainly stands out, even compared to Vista or ME.

GofBorg
21-Aug-2013, 20:57
Just works for us. In fact, works better than any MS OS prior
in any case we've tried it in. Users adapted to it without any
issues which I was amazed at. On a home basis, I have old software
that hasn't worked in years suddenly it works. Love it. YMMV of course.
Time to take off the tin foil hats.

Douglas Black
22-Aug-2013, 15:01
GofBorg,

> Just works for us. In fact, works better than any MS OS prior
> in any case we've tried it in. Users adapted to it without any
> issues which I was amazed at. On a home basis, I have old software
> that hasn't worked in years suddenly it works. Love it. YMMV of course.
> Time to take off the tin foil hats.
>

I'm not particularly fond of Windows 8, but I don't think it's any worse
than Windows 7 ... or XP ... or 2000. It's just different for the sake
of being different, and we ought to be used to *that* by now.

Stevo
22-Aug-2013, 15:22
Douglas Black sounds like they 'said':

> I'm not particularly fond of Windows 8, but I don't think it's any
> worse than Windows 7 ... or XP ... or 2000. It's just different for
> the sake of being different, and we ought to be used to that by now.

So my response to Douglas's comment is...

I hate the fact the 'start' (windows, whatever) button went away. I
understand they think *EVERYONE* only does stuff on tablets, etc, but
there should be the *option* to have a start button........

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Bob Crandell
22-Aug-2013, 15:28
On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 01:12:55 +0000, Bob wrote:

> On 8/20/2013 8:10 PM, Bob Crandell wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:43:11 +0000, GofBorg wrote:
>>
>>>> Yes... It is called Windows 7.... I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER
>>>> EVER allow Windows 8 on my network.
>>>
>>> Too bad. It's outstanding.
>>
>> Out standing where?
>>
> OMG... Please do not reference the "field". (sigh).

You, being the first to mention it, have that distinction.

Shaun Pond
22-Aug-2013, 15:30
Stevo,

I'm going to try again, once 8.1 is out, but not before...

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Bob
22-Aug-2013, 16:21
On 8/22/2013 10:28 AM, Bob Crandell wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 01:12:55 +0000, Bob wrote:
>
>> On 8/20/2013 8:10 PM, Bob Crandell wrote:
>>> On Tue, 20 Aug 2013 22:43:11 +0000, GofBorg wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Yes... It is called Windows 7.... I would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER
>>>>> EVER allow Windows 8 on my network.
>>>>
>>>> Too bad. It's outstanding.
>>>
>>> Out standing where?
>>>
>> OMG... Please do not reference the "field". (sigh).
>
> You, being the first to mention it, have that distinction.
>

VBG

Stevo
22-Aug-2013, 16:24
Shaun Pond sounds like they 'said':

> Stevo,
>
> I'm going to try again, once 8.1 is out, but not before...

So my response to Shaun's comment is...

Let me know how it goes, would ya?

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Douglas Black
22-Aug-2013, 16:46
Stevo,
>
> I hate the fact the 'start' (windows, whatever) button went away. I
> understand they think *EVERYONE* only does stuff on tablets, etc, but
> there should be the *option* to have a start button........
>

I don't like the absence of the Start button either*, but I don't quite
understand why that would cause someone to say "I won't allow Windows 8
on my network."



*there are rumors -- rumours for some of us :-) -- that it will return
in Windows 8.1

GofBorg
28-Aug-2013, 18:49
> I'm not particularly fond of Windows 8, but I don't think it's any worse
> than Windows 7 ... or XP ... or 2000. It's just different for the sake
> of being different, and we ought to be used to *that* by now.

Yep. Initially I missed the start button, but honestly after awhile I
realized I really don't need it. When it does come back in 8.1 I have a
feeling it's not going to be what everyone thinks it's going to be and
they'll still be miffed. There are some nifty right click options
on it though, be sure to check those out. You'll also be able to boot
straight to desktop if that's your thing. Right click on the taskbar
go to properties. There's a new Tab in there.

ab
28-Aug-2013, 19:03
On 08/28/2013 11:49 AM, GofBorg wrote:
>> I'm not particularly fond of Windows 8, but I don't think it's any worse
>> than Windows 7 ... or XP ... or 2000. It's just different for the sake
>> of being different, and we ought to be used to *that* by now.
>
> Yep. Initially I missed the start button, but honestly after awhile I
> realized I really don't need it. When it does come back in 8.1 I have a
> feeling it's not going to be what everyone thinks it's going to be and
> they'll still be miffed. There are some nifty right click options
> on it though, be sure to check those out. You'll also be able to boot
> straight to desktop if that's your thing. Right click on the taskbar
> go to properties. There's a new Tab in there.

It'll only be un-missed by those who somehow have windows eight and have
managed to get used to it. According to the people I've polled, that
means two people that I know (you and Kim) might possibly not-miss the
button. Some people missed Vista after seven came out too.... there are
quirks in every crowd. ;-)

Good luck.

GofBorg
28-Aug-2013, 20:48
> there are quirks in every crowd. ;-)

Call me quirky. Vista was rubbish.
I think I just decided to not let it annoy
me so I got past it.

Jim Henderson
28-Aug-2013, 21:32
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 18:03:53 +0000, ab wrote:

> It'll only be un-missed by those who somehow have windows eight and have
> managed to get used to it. According to the people I've polled, that
> means two people that I know (you and Kim) might possibly not-miss the
> button. Some people missed Vista after seven came out too.... there are
> quirks in every crowd. ;-)

Well, here's a third. As a Linux user, I've not really had a "start"
button on my regular desktop since the late 90's. I have Win8 Enterprise
in a VM, and I don't miss having a start button. Might be a case where
Linux users again have the upper hand because of the difference in the UI
they're used to.

Jim

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kgroneman
28-Aug-2013, 22:34
Hey Jim Henderson,

> two people that I know (you and Kim) might possibly not-miss the
> button.

I miss it..but not THAT much. If they put a SHUT DOWN button in it's
place I'd miss it even less. (I've created my own)



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Kim - 8/28/2013 3:32:53 PM

Jim Henderson
28-Aug-2013, 22:46
On Wed, 28 Aug 2013 21:34:15 +0000, kgroneman wrote:

> Hey Jim Henderson,
>
>> two people that I know (you and Kim) might possibly not-miss the
>> button.
>
> I miss it..but not THAT much. If they put a SHUT DOWN button in it's
> place I'd miss it even less. (I've created my own)

I just suspend the VM, no shutdown button needed. :)

Jim



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Novell/SUSE/NetIQ Knowledge Partner

gleach1
29-Aug-2013, 16:49
funny i've just been playing aroudn with win8 and a test SOE for the
last few days (it's really quiet at the moment lol)

I personally think the interface of 8.0 is a dogs breakfast if you're
used to just using the mouse to navigate the start menu, if you use the
windows key shortcuts it's tolerable

I found this article on the MS website that lists several of the
shortcuts that give you easy access to parts of what used to be the
start menu but in metro UI:
'New keyboard shortcuts for Windows 8 and Windows RT - Microsoft
Windows'
(http://windows.microsoft.com/en-AU/windows-8/new-keyboard-shortcuts)

i've looked at 8.1 and it seems they have made the interface easier to
navigate, with the start screen getting an extra section where all your
apps are, kind of like the old start menu system, I think going from 7
to 8.1 will be a much easier transition for most users, still not
perfect but reasonable and more intuitive

just a shame that the preview release of 8.1 can't create a catalog with
ENGL or the wsim tool (known issue with the preview release), however I
can say in my own testing with a 64 bit build that ZCM seems to behave
itself which is nice


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GofBorg
29-Aug-2013, 22:57
> I miss it..but not THAT much. If they put a SHUT DOWN button in it's
> place I'd miss it even less. (I've created my own)

LOL. I did that on a couple of machines because the user couldn't figure out
how to shut it down....which, I can see their point. A lot of people
struggle to find the 'charms' bar.