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Stevo
10-Dec-2013, 17:57
So, all you sysadmins. Do you have any suggestions for getting
[L]users to clean up obsolete, duplicated, unnecessary files, or have
you all succumb to just adding more and more storage, increasing backup
times, etc etc to keep the idiot masses happy never having to delete
*ANYTHING* ?

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ab
10-Dec-2013, 18:24
Quota? Little scripts to find duplicates based on a checksum to run
periodically and link where necessary?

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Susan
10-Dec-2013, 18:37
Stevo:

With storage being so inexpensive, comparatively, to the cost of having
people clean up their files, I'd go for adding storage. :)

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KeN Etter
10-Dec-2013, 19:21
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 16:57:03 GMT, "Stevo" <steveSPAM@LESSccgov.net>
wrote:

>So, all you sysadmins. Do you have any suggestions for getting
>[L]users to clean up obsolete, duplicated, unnecessary files, or have
>you all succumb to just adding more and more storage, increasing backup
>times, etc etc to keep the idiot masses happy never having to delete
>*ANYTHING* ?

Our work is project based. When a project is completed, the folder
structure for that project is cleaned up and archived. That keeps my
storage needs from growing too fast.

KeN Etter
10-Dec-2013, 19:23
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 16:57:03 GMT, "Stevo" <steveSPAM@LESSccgov.net>
wrote:

>So, all you sysadmins. Do you have any suggestions for getting
>[L]users to clean up obsolete, duplicated, unnecessary files, or have
>you all succumb to just adding more and more storage, increasing backup
>times, etc etc to keep the idiot masses happy never having to delete
>*ANYTHING* ?

You might also want to check into Novell File Reporter or the File
Management Suite.

KeN Etter
10-Dec-2013, 19:25
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 17:37:26 GMT, "Susan" <ncci.mod@gmail.com> wrote:

>Stevo:
>
>With storage being so inexpensive, comparatively, to the cost of having
>people clean up their files, I'd go for adding storage. :)

Except the only problem is it usually isn't enough to just add
storage. You also have to increase your backup system capacity and
speed to deal with the increased storage sizes.

Susan
10-Dec-2013, 19:51
Ken:

It depends on what you're using for backup. Are you just backing up to
hard drives or to something else? If hard drives, it still might be
less expensive than the cost of personnel time to clean up the files.
Depends on the size of the company, the salaries paid, the size of the
files. If doing a forced cleanup it might be easier to set up protected
directories for them to move critical files to that need to be kept,
and then delete all files older than a certain date from the system.
After a final backup of them, because you know for certain one of those
files will be critical. :)

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KeN Etter
10-Dec-2013, 22:19
On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 18:51:49 GMT, "Susan" <ncci.mod@gmail.com> wrote:

>Ken:
>
>It depends on what you're using for backup. Are you just backing up to
>hard drives or to something else? If hard drives, it still might be
>less expensive than the cost of personnel time to clean up the files.
>Depends on the size of the company, the salaries paid, the size of the
>files. If doing a forced cleanup it might be easier to set up protected
>directories for them to move critical files to that need to be kept,
>and then delete all files older than a certain date from the system.
>After a final backup of them, because you know for certain one of those
>files will be critical. :)

Too true! :-)

Joseph Marton
11-Dec-2013, 00:53
Stevo wrote:

> So, all you sysadmins. Do you have any suggestions for getting
> [L]users to clean up obsolete, duplicated, unnecessary files,

http://www.novell.com/products/storage-manager/

HTH.

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GofBorg
12-Dec-2013, 21:16
> So, all you sysadmins. Do you have any suggestions for getting
> [L]users to clean up obsolete, duplicated, unnecessary files, or have
> you all succumb to just adding more and more storage, increasing backup
> times, etc etc to keep the idiot masses happy never having to delete
> *ANYTHING* ?

Yah I run into that often Steve and at least for the size of our company,
ever increasing storage is unsustainable. We would have to invest in some
sort of real time duplication to continue further growth. The backups will
not fit in even a 12 hour window with two backup servers and the highest end
drives I could find. The only other way I could see speeding it up would be
to have a maintenance network with a 10GB backbone but pretty sure I'd bump
up against other limits elsewhere. Presently we do D2D2T.

So, what I do is twice a year is declare a week of house cleaning and make
idle threats about purging stuff. Tell people if they have something they
aren't using but want to archive for future use, put it in a folder labeled
archive. Most people know what they are using regularly.

At the end of spring cleaning the folders labeled 'archive' get written to
some form of long term storage (usually DVD/Blu-Ray) and the archive folders
are purged. Nice thing is if you are using Novell you can normally grab
files back using Salvage and never have to go to media.

I have the same program in place with eMail.

Have I ever gone to DVD to recover something...oh yes.
Normally for legal inquiries.

Even if you don't get 100% participation you can normally cleave off a good
bit of 'kruft'. At last purge I reduced our backup window by 2 hours.

buckesfeld
14-Dec-2013, 17:45
Add storage, *cheap* storage, and use OES DST to move the garbage off your
expensive storage. The amount of dead data is breathtaking.

U

lhaig
16-Dec-2013, 18:30
On 14/12/2013 18:45, Uwe Buckesfeld wrote:
> Add storage, *cheap* storage, and use OES DST to move the garbage off your
> expensive storage. The amount of dead data is breathtaking.
>
> U
>

I am with Uwe on this one.

Easier to just do that.


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