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snewett
07-Jan-2012, 12:26
Just wondering how many CNE's have decided to become NCE's via 3089\3090
and if they had limited linux knowledge beforehand, how did they fare
with the learning curve?


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JimT
08-Jan-2012, 02:03
I fondly remembering getting my first CNE cert in 1991

CNE 3
Then CNE 4
and CNE 5
Then CNE 6

I got my first MCSE around 1996...

I worked harder for the CNE's but got rewarded for the

MCSE more as Netware faded...

I'm sure I'm not alone remembering the halcyon years of

Netware. Set up a Arcnet network with Netware 3.12

and Wordperfect. Then use nmenu to give the users a

simple text menu... ****... I'm old!

It was rock-solid dependable.

Anyone remember compsurf on the old MFM drives?

Or ESDI or RLL or... geez I'm old....


JT






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> Just wondering how many CNE's have decided to become NCE's via 3089\3090
> and if they had limited linux knowledge beforehand, how did they fare
> with the learning curve?
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jamesgosling
09-Jan-2012, 14:46
I'm far too young to remember such things (I wish!) :)

I remember when things like terminal based accounts systems were
replaced by windows versions and productivity dropped through the floor!
I mean honestly through the floor!


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Bob Crandell
09-Jan-2012, 16:18
On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 13:46:01 +0000, jamesgosling wrote:

> I'm far too young to remember such things (I wish!) :)
>
> I remember when things like terminal based accounts systems were
> replaced by windows versions and productivity dropped through the floor!
> I mean honestly through the floor!

+1

Dave Howe
09-Jan-2012, 16:41
On 08/01/2012 01:03, JimT wrote:
> I fondly remembering getting my first CNE cert in 1991
>
> CNE 3
> Then CNE 4
> and CNE 5
> Then CNE 6

I only got as far as CNE 5 - got the CLE when that came out (only as far
as 10, never got to take CLE 11) But there is no graceful upgrade path
from CLE to any of the OES linux certs, and sadly my company is taking a
different path now anyhow.

> I got my first MCSE around 1996...
> I worked harder for the CNE's but got rewarded for the
> MCSE more as Netware faded...
>
> I'm sure I'm not alone remembering the halcyon years of
> Netware. Set up a Arcnet network with Netware 3.12
> and Wordperfect. Then use nmenu to give the users a
> simple text menu... ****... I'm old!

I can recall most of that, and LAN Workplace for DOS to give access to
the world of tcp/ip (netware client was still ipx); using that for
dialup access to the internet (and the DOS version of the GW4 GWIA to
sync with) to provide internet mail on a duty cycle of just a few
minutes per day (UK had no free local calls, so dialup charges were
per-minute)

But yeah, for long term career prospects I should have gone down the MS
path; if I had it to do over, I probably would, although I have had a
good run with my mixed routing&switching/netware/unix skillset. Linux
never took off the way I expected it to - while almost all the kit I
deal with now has linux "under" it somewhere (most surprising to me
being cisco's ASA devices), little of it is used other than via a pretty
gui (which has its own vendor training path)

Never had arcnet, but had madge 16mbit token ring kit for a long while,
with a few bits of legacy ring kit at 4mbit (and manual relay reset via
a special battery-powered tool :)

kjhurni
09-Jan-2012, 19:26
I took and passed the NCE exam (the one you take as a CNE). Prior to
OES2 Linux, my last Linux experience was like 10 years prior at college
with AIX/Sun Solaris (VERY basic commands like: ls, cp, etc).

The learning curve from NetWare to Linux was a little steep in certain
regards (ie, troubleshooting boot issues, etc.) I'd been working with
OES2 Linux for about 2 years before taking the NCE exam.

I apparently had problems with two sections on the exam, one of which
was a formatting problem (ie, I knew it was either X or Y, but
apparently put the wrong thing in the config script).

The other one, I really had no clue, and IMO, weren't really
"necessary". I think it was something like: "all new users should have
a "hello world" message when they login to the linux server) or some
such nonsense. Sorry, but in "real world" I don't see a lot of places
that let their users login directly to an OES2 server (SSH, etc.)

I did take the old SLES 10 bootcamp (it took the (3) courses and
smooshed it into one), and still have the manuals.

Not sure if this helps you much or not.


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snewett
10-Jan-2012, 06:46
kjhurni;2166151 Wrote:
> I took and passed the NCE exam (the one you take as a CNE). Prior to
> OES2 Linux, my last Linux experience was like 10 years prior at college
> with AIX/Sun Solaris (VERY basic commands like: ls, cp, etc).
>
> The learning curve from NetWare to Linux was a little steep in certain
> regards (ie, troubleshooting boot issues, etc.) I'd been working with
> OES2 Linux for about 2 years before taking the NCE exam.
>
> I apparently had problems with two sections on the exam, one of which
> was a formatting problem (ie, I knew it was either X or Y, but
> apparently put the wrong thing in the config script).
>
> The other one, I really had no clue, and IMO, weren't really
> "necessary". I think it was something like: "all new users should have
> a "hello world" message when they login to the linux server) or some
> such nonsense. Sorry, but in "real world" I don't see a lot of places
> that let their users login directly to an OES2 server (SSH, etc.)
>
> I did take the old SLES 10 bootcamp (it took the (3) courses and
> smooshed it into one), and still have the manuals.
>
> Not sure if this helps you much or not.

Thanks.

Have just migrated a one and only OES2 Box from Netware ("Goodbye
Netware, and we thank you")

The NCE exam may force me to learn all the linux commands and scripting
etc. a bit more thoroughly than I would normally.

Also have Solaris onsite, so learning one would help with the other
(which I'm only exposed to when holidays, leave are being taken).

Regards
Steve


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11-Jan-2012, 00:00
On 1/7/2012 7:03 PM, JimT wrote:
> I fondly remembering getting my first CNE cert in 1991
>
> CNE 3
> Then CNE 4
> and CNE 5
> Then CNE 6
>
> I got my first MCSE around 1996...
>
> I worked harder for the CNE's but got rewarded for the
>
> MCSE more as Netware faded...
>
> I'm sure I'm not alone remembering the halcyon years of
>
> Netware. Set up a Arcnet network with Netware 3.12
>
> and Wordperfect. Then use nmenu to give the users a
>
> simple text menu... ****... I'm old!
>
> It was rock-solid dependable.
>
> Anyone remember compsurf on the old MFM drives?
>
> Or ESDI or RLL or... geez I'm old....
>
>

two phunnie! Your career track parallels my exactly.

compsurf on on esdi disks in ps/2's :)

Anyone remember installing netware on Tricord servers?

Ted Novak
TRA#5512

snewett
11-Jan-2012, 11:06
§;2166612 Wrote:
> On 1/7/2012 7:03 PM, JimT wrote:
> > I fondly remembering getting my first CNE cert in 1991
> >
> > CNE 3
> > Then CNE 4
> > and CNE 5
> > Then CNE 6
> >
> > I got my first MCSE around 1996...
> >
> > I worked harder for the CNE's but got rewarded for the
> >
> > MCSE more as Netware faded...
> >
> > I'm sure I'm not alone remembering the halcyon years of
> >
> > Netware. Set up a Arcnet network with Netware 3.12
> >
> > and Wordperfect. Then use nmenu to give the users a
> >
> > simple text menu... ****... I'm old!
> >
> > It was rock-solid dependable.
> >
> > Anyone remember compsurf on the old MFM drives?
> >
> > Or ESDI or RLL or... geez I'm old....
> >
> >
>
> two phunnie! Your career track parallels my exactly.
>
> compsurf on on esdi disks in ps/2's :)
>
> Anyone remember installing netware on Tricord servers?
>
> Ted Novak
> TRA#5512

Go back to 2.15 (netgen, shgen) and am a legacy 3.x cne which was
2.2\3.11 exams. What is a Tricord server and yes, I am stopping myself
from googling......


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snewett
11-Jan-2012, 11:16
snewett;2166681 Wrote:
> Go back to 2.15 (netgen, shgen) and am a legacy 3.x cne which was
> 2.2\3.11 exams. What is a Tricord server and yes, I am stopping myself
> from googling......

sorry, couldn't help myself....this Tricord looks impressive!

'Tricord: A Mainframe'
(http://www.windowsitpro.com/article/product-review/tricord-a-mainframe-s-little-sibling)


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gleach1
12-Jan-2012, 03:06
I did the NCE exam a few months ago and found it pretty easy, most of
what I did was through yast, imangler, norm and the ncpcon / nssmu
tools
Had to use the command line for a bit when the norm tool broke by
itself
I actually found the NCE easier than the NCA exam


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JimT
14-Jan-2012, 00:58
Netware 2.15 rev c.... I think....

I remember installing on Compaq Deskpro 286..

and getting to disk # whatever and getting "disk read

error" abort, retry, fail? WTF? after all that...

I try to relate floppys to my son but the age of 16GB

flash drives kinda looses something in translation..

You put 18 floppys into a what? where? and it took how

long? Man I feel old!

JT



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> snewett;2166681 Wrote:
>> Go back to 2.15 (netgen, shgen) and am a legacy 3.x cne which was
>> 2.2\3.11 exams. What is a Tricord server and yes, I am stopping myself
>> from googling......
>
> sorry, couldn't help myself....this Tricord looks impressive!
>
> 'Tricord: A Mainframe'
> (http://www.windowsitpro.com/article/product-review/tricord-a-mainframe-s-little-sibling)
>
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Joseph Marton
14-Jan-2012, 01:13
JimT wrote:

> I try to relate floppys to my son but the age of 16GB
>
> flash drives kinda looses something in translation..
>
> You put 18 floppys into a what? where? and it took how
>
> long?

Hmm... you sure this isn't a "birds and the bees" discussion?

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JimT
14-Jan-2012, 03:40
Yikes... I just re-read that....
It does sound "informative"
See son... the floppy goes into the.....

Sorry... I'll continue the lessons at home!!

JT


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> JimT wrote:
>
>> I try to relate floppys to my son but the age of 16GB
>>
>> flash drives kinda looses something in translation..
>>
>> You put 18 floppys into a what? where? and it took how
>>
>> long?
>
> Hmm... you sure this isn't a "birds and the bees" discussion?
>
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snewett
18-Jan-2012, 09:16
OK - I'll talk about a 30 disk system - 8" floppy (Honeywell-Bull)
system backup that the responsible person had 2 sets of backups, one
diskette died so that person used one 8" diskette in both
backups..........then come system restore time and backup#1 died, let's
try backup#2.....oops.

Sorry about talking about 8" floppies. lol.





JimT;2167820 Wrote:
> Yikes... I just re-read that....
> It does sound "informative"
> See son... the floppy goes into the.....
>
> Sorry... I'll continue the lessons at home!!
>
> JT
>
>
> "Joseph Marton" <jmarton@no-mx.forums.novell.com> wrote in message
> news:jM3Qq.735$QG1.720@kovat.provo.novell.com...
> > JimT wrote:
> >
> >> I try to relate floppys to my son but the age of 16GB
> >>
> >> flash drives kinda looses something in translation..
> >>
> >> You put 18 floppys into a what? where? and it took how
> >>
> >> long?
> >
> > Hmm... you sure this isn't a "birds and the bees" discussion?
> >
> > --
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leroyjjr
24-Mar-2012, 00:16
Hey Jim, I remember those – what a blast! – not to mention that you
could actually see the head move into (spindle arm on the outside of the
drive for those who don’t know).

I also agree with gleach1 - I'm also from the "old school" days of
"certs" having attained many (from multiple companies) during my decades
in IT. – MCNE (5x), MASE (3x), ASE (4x), EMCie (2x), MCSE 92x), MCDBA
(2x), BCFP, CCNP, CCDP, DCSNP (Dell Certified Storage Networking
Professional) along with a host of others. But enough of that - - I
studied the objects in conjunction with hands on implementation of the
objects (build a few Linux Servers, if you have virtual environment the
better).

Good Luck!


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