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Scott A. Campbell
19-Mar-2012, 22:59
A friend and I are going to be doing a road/mtb trip from Denver to San
Francisco late April-early May and we were looking at rental cars -
ending up with more questions than answers.

Anyone have any advice or things to look out for when renting a car?
Especially if you're a crazy foreigner who drives on the other [correct
;-)] side of the road.

One of the other questions is around insurance - insurance is
complusory I presume but there appeared to be several different levels
of insurance, any recommendations or things to look at?

craig wilson
19-Mar-2012, 23:54
IMHO, If I was driving in a Foreign Country, I would get all the options
available. Even if you know all the laws, folks in different parts of
the country drive so much differently. A friend from New York City told
me, don't stop when the light turns red or you will get rear-ended,
since they dont stop going through until well after it's red.


Hertz is the Largest by far and usually the De Facto Standard, but I
must admit that I prefer Enterprise.



On 3/19/2012 5:59 PM, Scott A. Campbell wrote:
> A friend and I are going to be doing a road/mtb trip from Denver to San
> Francisco late April-early May and we were looking at rental cars -
> ending up with more questions than answers.
>
> Anyone have any advice or things to look out for when renting a car?
> Especially if you're a crazy foreigner who drives on the other [correct
> ;-)] side of the road.
>
> One of the other questions is around insurance - insurance is
> complusory I presume but there appeared to be several different levels
> of insurance, any recommendations or things to look at?


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George
20-Mar-2012, 00:52
On 3/19/2012 5:59 PM, Scott A. Campbell wrote:
> A friend and I are going to be doing a road/mtb trip from Denver to San
> Francisco late April-early May and we were looking at rental cars -
> ending up with more questions than answers.
>
> Anyone have any advice or things to look out for when renting a car?
> Especially if you're a crazy foreigner who drives on the other [correct
> ;-)] side of the road.
>
> One of the other questions is around insurance - insurance is
> complusory I presume but there appeared to be several different levels
> of insurance, any recommendations or things to look at?


You must have a drivers license to show at the rental counter. I think
you may also need to get an International permit to prove your country's
license is valid. You will also need to show your drivers license.

More info on the permit:

http://www.usa.gov/Topics/Foreign-Visitors-Driving.shtml

You must have a credit card (not debit). No company will rent to you
without one. Also consider they will pre approve the credit card
transaction which reserve the funds and hits against your card limit.

You get a certain amount of insurance in the rental price and the option
to buy more. If you have auto insurance here your insurance covers the
extra stuff. Also some credit cards cover it. You aren't required to buy
the extra coverage and can choose to take the risk. Here is a little
idea about that:

http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/rental-car-credit-card-protections-vary-1273.php




Make sure you inspect the car before taking it. Small rental places will
go to the car with you and do a walk around and note damage. Big places
just give you the keys. So if you see damage other than small
scratches/dings go back and report it before moving the car.

You noted you will be in California. If you get tempted to drive into
Mexico with the rental ignore the temptation.

Jim Henderson
20-Mar-2012, 18:14
On Mon, 19 Mar 2012 21:59:11 +0000, Scott A. Campbell wrote:

> Anyone have any advice or things to look out for when renting a car?
> Especially if you're a crazy foreigner who drives on the other [correct
> ;-)] side of the road.

If you drive on your 'correct' side of the road over here, I can assure
you that the police will ticket you for driving on the wrong side of the
road. ;)

Most if not all rental companies here provide insurance - you can waive
the coverage if you have insurance that covers rental vehicles (when I
traveled for work, that was the default for us because the company had
its own policy for employees traveling on business).

The 'fuel option' can be weird to understand from car rental companies
here. Usually you have three choices:

1. Purchase a full tank at the time of rental, and return the vehicle
with as little petrol as you prefer. Price per gallon goes up the more
you leave in the tank (ie, you pay a flat fee for the first tankful).

2. Let them refuel when you bring the car back - there's a hefty service
fee for this, and that can drive the price per gallon up to what our
friends in the UK normally pay (and sometimes even a bit higher).

3. Bring the car back with a nearly full tank.

You may also end up paying an extra fee for dropping the car off at a
different location than where you picked it up. Most rental companies
charge extra for that. ISTR that it might be possible to see if they
have a need to move a car from one location to another - that may be a
way around the fee (that does tend to be within a local area, though, I
think - for example, Hertz has two or three locations here in the SLC
area - and if they need a car at the downtown Marriott and you rent from
the airport, they may be OK with it being returned to a different local
location for another reservation at the end of your rental period - saves
them having to make the trip themselves).

Jim

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Scott A. Campbell
20-Mar-2012, 21:46
craig wilson wrote:

> IMHO, If I was driving in a Foreign Country, I would get all the
> options available.

I when we went down that route, the cost of the insurance was twice the
cost of the actual rental, and that was avoiding some of the options
such as injury to yourself (covered by travel insurance) :-O

> Even if you know all the laws, folks in different
> parts of the country drive so much differently. A friend from New
> York City told me, don't stop when the light turns red or you will
> get rear-ended, since they dont stop going through until well after
> it's red.

Good to know, thanks :-)

Scott A. Campbell
20-Mar-2012, 21:47
Thank you, very helpful.

What's the deal with Mexico? Not that we are going down there as the
scehdule is just too tight, but...

Scott A. Campbell
20-Mar-2012, 21:53
Jim Henderson wrote:

> If you drive on your 'correct' side of the road over here, I can
> assure you that the police will ticket you for driving on the wrong
> side of the road. ;)

Oh, I'm sure with a little healthy conversation they'll see the error
of their ways :-D Then again, I've watched Cops on a few occassions...
:-)

And thank you on the advice about the fuel options and insurance.

Jim Henderson
20-Mar-2012, 21:58
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:53:06 +0000, Scott A. Campbell wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> If you drive on your 'correct' side of the road over here, I can assure
>> you that the police will ticket you for driving on the wrong side of
>> the road. ;)
>
> Oh, I'm sure with a little healthy conversation they'll see the error of
> their ways :-D Then again, I've watched Cops on a few occassions...
> :-)

I'd like to hear that conversation. :)

Having driven in the US and the UK, something I would advise is being
familiar with the roads you're driving on if you're going to drive after
dark. When I was in the UK and borrowed a car, I opted not to drive
after dark since oncoming headlights might have caused me to move to the
"bad" side of the road on a winding road.

> And thank you on the advice about the fuel options and insurance.

NP. :)

Jim



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Scott A. Campbell
20-Mar-2012, 22:15
Jim Henderson wrote:

> I'd like to hear that conversation. :)

I'll make sure I record it :-)

> Having driven in the US and the UK, something I would advise is being
> familiar with the roads you're driving on if you're going to drive
> after dark. When I was in the UK and borrowed a car, I opted not to
> drive after dark since oncoming headlights might have caused me to
> move to the "bad" side of the road on a winding road.

Noted, thanks. And of-course when you get tired...

Joseph Marton
21-Mar-2012, 02:54
Scott A. Campbell wrote:

> What's the deal with Mexico?

Really good Mexican food. They speak Spanish. A lot of tequilla
choices.

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Scott Campbell
21-Mar-2012, 07:30
Joseph Marton wrote:

> Really good Mexican food. They speak Spanish. A lot of tequilla
> choices.

And that's why I'd avoid Mexico? :-)

Anders Gustafsson
21-Mar-2012, 09:32
Scott Campbell,
> And that's why I'd avoid Mexico? :-)

Depends on whether you like spicy food and tequila, but cars and
tequila generally do not mix well, unless you use it for fuel...

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Massimo Rosen
21-Mar-2012, 10:08
Jim,

On 20.03.2012 21:58, Jim Henderson wrote:
>
> Having driven in the US and the UK, something I would advise is being
> familiar with the roads you're driving on if you're going to drive after
> dark. When I was in the UK and borrowed a car, I opted not to drive
> after dark since oncoming headlights might have caused me to move to the
> "bad" side of the road on a winding road.

Agreed, but for a slightly different reason. When I was in Australia,
the only time where I ended up on the wrong side of the road was after
dark too, but not because it was dark, but because the streets were
empty, after I took a turn. As long as there's traffic around, I never
once had the slightest problem. But doing a turn from and into an
completely empty road can get you in trouble. I drove almost a mile on
the wrong side before I noticed it (myself, luckily, not because some
other traffic suddenly showing up on "my" side)

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Anders Gustafsson
21-Mar-2012, 11:00
Massimo Rosen,
> As long as there's traffic around, I never
> once had the slightest problem. But doing a turn from and into an
> completely empty road can get you in trouble.

Same here, in my case it was in Stratford Upon Avon.

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Simon Flood
21-Mar-2012, 11:53
On 21/03/2012 10:00, Anders Gustafsson wrote:

> Same here, in my case it was in Stratford Upon Avon.

To be on the left-hand side of the road, or not to be on the left-hand
side of the road, that is the question

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Dave Taylor
21-Mar-2012, 12:08
Massimo Rosen <mrosenNO@SPAMcfc-it.de> wrote in news:uUgar.6331$V43.2714
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> I drove almost a mile on
> the wrong side before I noticed it (myself, luckily, not because some
> other traffic suddenly showing up on "my" side)
>

Planes, trains, and automobiles? Man that was a funny part.


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Joseph Marton
21-Mar-2012, 12:18
Scott Campbell wrote:

> Joseph Marton wrote:
>
> > Really good Mexican food. They speak Spanish. A lot of tequilla
> > choices.
>
> And that's why I'd avoid Mexico? :-)

Oh I just thought you asked what the deal was with Mexico. Not why to
avoid--those are all reasons of why to go. :-)

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George
21-Mar-2012, 13:19
On 3/20/2012 9:54 PM, Joseph Marton wrote:
> Scott A. Campbell wrote:
>
>> What's the deal with Mexico?
>
> Really good Mexican food. They speak Spanish. A lot of tequilla
> choices.
>

Do they use those traditional hard taco shells there?

George
21-Mar-2012, 13:22
On 3/20/2012 4:47 PM, Scott A. Campbell wrote:
> Thank you, very helpful.
>
> What's the deal with Mexico? Not that we are going down there as the
> scehdule is just too tight, but...

Your car rental agreement prohibits it.

They may look at accidents and such a little differently if foreign
plates are on a car.

Jim Henderson
21-Mar-2012, 19:09
On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:15:30 +0000, Scott A. Campbell wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> I'd like to hear that conversation. :)
>
> I'll make sure I record it :-)
>
>> Having driven in the US and the UK, something I would advise is being
>> familiar with the roads you're driving on if you're going to drive
>> after dark. When I was in the UK and borrowed a car, I opted not to
>> drive after dark since oncoming headlights might have caused me to move
>> to the "bad" side of the road on a winding road.
>
> Noted, thanks. And of-course when you get tired...

Yeah - of course, on a well-lit road, it's different (because it's not
really dark), but I could see on windy roads near Maidstone that my
reflex would be to swerve into the oncoming traffic....which wouldn't
have been good for us or the car we were borrowing.

Jim



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Jim Henderson
21-Mar-2012, 19:10
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 09:08:42 +0000, Massimo Rosen wrote:

> Jim,
>
> On 20.03.2012 21:58, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>
>> Having driven in the US and the UK, something I would advise is being
>> familiar with the roads you're driving on if you're going to drive
>> after dark. When I was in the UK and borrowed a car, I opted not to
>> drive after dark since oncoming headlights might have caused me to move
>> to the "bad" side of the road on a winding road.
>
> Agreed, but for a slightly different reason. When I was in Australia,
> the only time where I ended up on the wrong side of the road was after
> dark too, but not because it was dark, but because the streets were
> empty, after I took a turn. As long as there's traffic around, I never
> once had the slightest problem. But doing a turn from and into an
> completely empty road can get you in trouble. I drove almost a mile on
> the wrong side before I noticed it (myself, luckily, not because some
> other traffic suddenly showing up on "my" side)

I think it depends on how straight the roads are and how used to driving
on the 'legal' side of the road it is.

Driving in the UK in a right-hand-drive car, there's already something
unusual about it for those of us who drive left-hand-drive cars, but as I
mentioned in the other post I just wrote, on a winding road that's poorly
lit after dark, I was concerned (it being my first time driving in the UK
as well) that my reflex would be a problem when I saw oncoming headlights
and couldn't tell which side of the road they were on.

Jim



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Massimo Rosen
21-Mar-2012, 19:19
On 21.03.2012 19:10, Jim Henderson wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 09:08:42 +0000, Massimo Rosen wrote:
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> On 20.03.2012 21:58, Jim Henderson wrote:
>>>
>>> Having driven in the US and the UK, something I would advise is being
>>> familiar with the roads you're driving on if you're going to drive
>>> after dark. When I was in the UK and borrowed a car, I opted not to
>>> drive after dark since oncoming headlights might have caused me to move
>>> to the "bad" side of the road on a winding road.
>>
>> Agreed, but for a slightly different reason. When I was in Australia,
>> the only time where I ended up on the wrong side of the road was after
>> dark too, but not because it was dark, but because the streets were
>> empty, after I took a turn. As long as there's traffic around, I never
>> once had the slightest problem. But doing a turn from and into an
>> completely empty road can get you in trouble. I drove almost a mile on
>> the wrong side before I noticed it (myself, luckily, not because some
>> other traffic suddenly showing up on "my" side)
>
> I think it depends on how straight the roads are and how used to driving
> on the 'legal' side of the road it is.
>
> Driving in the UK in a right-hand-drive car, there's already something
> unusual about it for those of us who drive left-hand-drive cars, but as I
> mentioned in the other post I just wrote, on a winding road that's poorly
> lit after dark, I was concerned (it being my first time driving in the UK
> as well) that my reflex would be a problem when I saw oncoming headlights
> and couldn't tell which side of the road they were on.

I had a right-hand-drive car, and after a short while didn't even notice.
It's funny how your brain works. I have quite a few very distinct
memories of driving around in Australia, seeing things, even some roads
I remeber very clearly. When I think back of those occurences, I find
myself on the "right" side of the road in my thoughts, and there's
almost nothing I can do about it.

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Jim Henderson
21-Mar-2012, 20:40
On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 18:19:56 +0000, Massimo Rosen wrote:

> I had a right-hand-drive car, and after a short while didn't even
> notice.
> It's funny how your brain works. I have quite a few very distinct
> memories of driving around in Australia, seeing things, even some roads
> I remeber very clearly. When I think back of those occurences, I find
> myself on the "right" side of the road in my thoughts, and there's
> almost nothing I can do about it.

The brain is certainly a strange and wonderful device. ;)

Jim



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buckesfeld
22-Mar-2012, 22:06
Massimo Rosen wrote:

> I had a right-hand-drive car, and after a short while didn't even notice.
> It's funny how your brain works

Nah, it's funny how *your* brain works <G>

U

buckesfeld
22-Mar-2012, 22:13
Scott,

in addition to what everybody else said: If you're a cheapskate, try pre-
ordering a tiny car (Yugo, Fiat Cinquecento). They normally don't have one
available, so they'll try to talk you into "upgrading" to a regular M1
Abrams sized monster, but if you insist, they'll have to give you a normal
car for the price of a tiny one. Worked fine two or three times for us.

U

Susan
22-Mar-2012, 22:39
Scott:

You'd avoid Mexico because the rental companies don't want their cars
to go there, so the rental contract will state that you cannot take the
car there. There's quite a bit of theft of cars in Mexico, if not the
car itself, then the contents of the car if you leave it alone for any
length of time. There's also the issue of car-jacking or being held up,
because any tourist is fair game to the criminal element. Also, most US
insurance companies will not cover vehicles if they venture into
Mexico, so likely even with the additional insurance the car wouldn't
be covered in Mexico, it would be excluded from coverage.

Additionally, and likely not reported much in NZ, the drug cartels in
Mexico have been taking it over, more or less. There are some areas you
do not want to go into anymore, for fear of your life. They've been
finding piles of headless bodies in certain areas, and some tourist
have been among them. If the NZ government doesn't have travel
advisories for Mexico, then check the US ones.

Budget and Dollar are two rental car companies that offer vehicles at
lower prices than the other rental agencies, and what Uwe suggested
about arranging for a very small car is true. If they don't have one,
they have to give you a larger one at the same price. But you really
can't count on getting a larger vehicle, it all depends on what they
have available, which also depends on how many flights have landed at
the same time as yours, and how soon you get to the car rental place.
All of the car rental agencies have shuttles from the airport to their
location, and vice versa when you turn in the car.

Check your auto insurance to see if they cover rentals outside of your
country. They might not. They might also have some additional rider you
can get for a reasonable price. If they do cover it, though, then you
won't need to get the insurance. Just be aware that you still have to
pay whatever your deductible is. The rental company will explain all
that and do their best to try to scare you into taking their insurance,
anyway. : )

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Joseph Marton
22-Mar-2012, 23:37
Susan wrote:

> There's quite a bit of theft of cars in Mexico, if not
> the car itself, then the contents of the car if you leave it alone
> for any length of time. There's also the issue of car-jacking or
> being held up, because any tourist is fair game to the criminal
> element.

So to rephrase the last sentence:

"or the contents of the car while you're still in it."

:-)

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DZanre
23-Mar-2012, 02:04
"Scott A. Campbell" wrote:

> from Denver

I fully expect you to contact me beforehand so I can at least have lunch with
you or something!

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DZanre
23-Mar-2012, 02:06
Jim Henderson wrote:

> Most if not all rental companies here provide insurance - you can waive the
> coverage if you have insurance that covers rental vehicles (when I traveled
> for work, that was the default for us because the company had its own policy
> for employees traveling on business).

However, most of the time overseas rentals are not covered by this! Joe got hit
with an $800 repair bill once when he automatically declined coverage in the UK
assuming he was covered and found that it was only valid in the US.

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DZanre
23-Mar-2012, 02:08
Jim Henderson wrote:

> 2. Let them refuel when you bring the car back - there's a hefty service fee
> for this, and that can drive the price per gallon up to what our friends in
> the UK normally pay (and sometimes even a bit higher).

I assume you mean "don't" here - but you have to watch now. A lot of companies
are giving the option to "prepay" for gas at a reduced rate (often cheaper than
the going rate) and tell you to bring it back empty. They are getting smart
with this, because it's rare than you can actually time it right to bring it
back totally empty, so they are still making some money most times. But if you
think you wlll be able to bring it back empty, and they have a $.20 per gallon
advantage over street price, it can be worth it.

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DZanre
23-Mar-2012, 02:10
Massimo Rosen wrote:

> When I was in Australia, the only time where I ended up on the wrong side of
> the road was after dark too, but not because it was dark, but because the
> streets were empty,

turns are when I get a little confused sometimes too. When Joe did his driving
test here, after the instructor told him he had passed, the instructor told Joe
to turn into the parking lot, and Joe went in on the wrong side - heehee.

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Jim Henderson
23-Mar-2012, 03:30
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 01:06:08 +0000, DZanre wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> Most if not all rental companies here provide insurance - you can waive
>> the coverage if you have insurance that covers rental vehicles (when I
>> traveled for work, that was the default for us because the company had
>> its own policy for employees traveling on business).
>
> However, most of the time overseas rentals are not covered by this! Joe
> got hit with an $800 repair bill once when he automatically declined
> coverage in the UK assuming he was covered and found that it was only
> valid in the US.

That's a good point, and easy to forget. It's always important to read
the fine print. :)

Jim



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Jim Henderson
23-Mar-2012, 03:33
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 01:08:16 +0000, DZanre wrote:

> Jim Henderson wrote:
>
>> 2. Let them refuel when you bring the car back - there's a hefty
>> service fee for this, and that can drive the price per gallon up to
>> what our friends in the UK normally pay (and sometimes even a bit
>> higher).
>
> I assume you mean "don't" here - but you have to watch now. A lot of
> companies are giving the option to "prepay" for gas at a reduced rate
> (often cheaper than the going rate) and tell you to bring it back empty.

Yeah, I've seen that happen, too. I had several times when I was
teaching where I took the company-recommended option of filling it up
before returning the car, and found that I was running late and had to
bring it back partially empty.

> They are getting smart with this, because it's rare than you can
> actually time it right to bring it back totally empty, so they are still
> making some money most times. But if you think you wlll be able to
> bring it back empty, and they have a $.20 per gallon advantage over
> street price, it can be worth it.

Yep. I can remember seeing some times when it was priced around $2.00/
gallon (this would be back in 2004 or so) and the price for having them
refuel it was along the lines of $7-$8 per gallon if you elected to bring
it back full.

Change fees on airline tickets being about $100, I always figured it was
the less expensive choice to pay the $7-$8/gallon for a few gallons (I
rarely used a full tank when I was teaching - if ever) than to have to
pay the change fee to Amex Travel and/or the airlines.

(Amex always charged an extra fee for their, ahem, 'service').

Jim

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Scott Campbell
24-Mar-2012, 10:37
Yesh certainly wasn't aware of the situation in Mexico, thanks Susan.
Had a quick look at the NZ travel advisories shows current warnings.

And thank you for the rental information :)

Scott Campbell
24-Mar-2012, 10:40
Simon Flood wrote:

> To be on the left-hand side of the road, or not to be on the
> left-hand side of the road, that is the question
>
> ;-)

I've seen drivers that want both sides of the road :-)

Scott Campbell
24-Mar-2012, 10:46
DZanre wrote:

> turns are when I get a little confused sometimes too.

When I have been cycling in the States, turns have really required
extra concentration.

Embarassingly the first time I hired a bike in the states I was riding
away, down a hill from the bike shop and wanted to test the brakes (to
do a little nose wheelie) - one of the staff was walking up the hill,
pulled on the brake firmly and the back wheel locks up. The shame.

Ever since, I get the bike shop to swap the brakes around :-)

Scott Campbell
24-Mar-2012, 10:48
Uwe Buckesfeld wrote:

> regular M1 Abrams sized monster

Sounds like me ;-)

Thank you. :)

Scott Campbell
24-Mar-2012, 10:50
DZanre wrote:

> I fully expect you to contact me beforehand so I can at least have
> lunch with you or something!

That would be good. Will definitely give you a yell. :-)

DZanre
25-Mar-2012, 19:05
"Scott Campbell" wrote:

> Embarassingly the first time I hired a bike in the states I was riding away,
> down a hill from the bike shop and wanted to test the brakes (to do a little
> nose wheelie) - one of the staff was walking up the hill, pulled on the brake
> firmly and the back wheel locks up. The shame.
>
> Ever since, I get the bike shop to swap the brakes around :-)

I guess I never even considered that the bike brakes would be opposite! Learn
something new every day.

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Danita
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Bob Crandell
26-Mar-2012, 16:06
On Sat, 24 Mar 2012 09:40:00 +0000, Scott Campbell wrote:

> Simon Flood wrote:
>
>> To be on the left-hand side of the road, or not to be on the left-hand
>> side of the road, that is the question
>>
>> ;-)
>
> I've seen drivers that want both sides of the road :-)

and driving down both sides of the road is not correct? Darn. I guess
that explains the hand gestures offered in my direction.